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Carole McGowan, Denver Colorado — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:33:53 GMT

You are a complete chucklehead. McGwire's problem was agreeing to appear and then declining to answer anything with the pithy quip "I'm not here to talk about the past." I got news for you & him - he wasn't there to talk about baseball's present since he ran as far and as fast as he could once he retired. That and that alone shows that he felt he couldn't talk about the past, which raises the question - why? If he only used andro, which was ok, why not? Because he obviously was sharing a trainer and injections with Jose Steroid Conseco. Should be that even a baseball writer can figure that one out.

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Jackson Walden, Charleston SC — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:38:42 GMT

He is a disgraceful cheater who sealed his fate before Congress.

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JVW, Cincinnati — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:40:11 GMT

Good points, but let's get Andre Dawson in before we tackle the McGwire issue.

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John Maher, Phoenix, AZ. — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:44:19 GMT

If McGwire is in then Maris should be there too!!!

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Jeff — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:46:59 GMT

I liked the article and you brought up a great point. It's amazing to me how 'selective' we as a culture can be and I find it very interesting how people can be 'shocked' when the find out certain things-moral, ethical or not...we all make mistakes and if something comes into light after the fact it does taint their character, but if there's to be a bias or a predisposition prior to voting that has no bearing on the facts...then it's a vote of ignorance and petty self indulgence.
Of course, that's my two cents too. Again, nice article.

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Gene O'Farrell, Springfield, Mo — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:49:57 GMT

The HOF voters got it right. McGuire shouldn't be in the HOF because, in our hearts, we know he cheated. So did Bonds and Sosa, and when their time comes, they should be denied also. Your point about Bonds is correct. He cheated for a significant part of his career and he cheated for the glory of it. That shold negate what he did before.

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Michael Zettler — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:54:16 GMT

He's as guilty as Shoeless Joe and you're never going to see him in the Hall either.

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Mark Morrison — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:57:13 GMT

He is a liar and a doper. Arogance personified in the face of a Senate hearing. He doesn't deserve anything but an asterick by his name. I would not cross the street to "pay" for his autograph. I glad my sons have real baseball heroes. Ask them about Mark and even they understand he is tainted.

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Joe O'Leary — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:59:23 GMT

"Surely, no rational person would conclude that seven regular season no-hitters warrant Hall of Fame inclusion"

I have to assume this is sarcasm, right? Because I cannot think a rational person would NOT count SEVEN no hitters as reason for Hall of Fame Inclusion. Of course that's reason for inclusion. No other pitcher has come close

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Joe, Greenville, NH — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:24:13 GMT

I Quote "McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa were the greatest home run hitters of their era. Bonds won the career battle but McGwire was the pioneer."

My Quote "McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa were the greatest Druggies of their era. Bonds won the career Druggie title but McGwire was the Druggie pioneer."

PS, Looking at the Bio for the writer, I don't see any actual playing experience??

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Paul Todorovich, Mt. Pleasant, SC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:33:11 GMT

Ted, I enjoy your writing, but I disagree with you on this one. None of the cheaters should be in the Hall.

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Leo Fahmie, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:44:18 GMT

McGwire was a GREAT player and should be in the Hall of Fame he brought back SO MUCH excitement to the game after the baseball strike which made fans really lose interest in baseball and made they very mad. Us fans were feed up with the spoiled millionaires.

Pete Rose is the real tragedy he was one of the greatest players I have ever seen play the game.

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Greg Godsil, Arvada, CO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:54:42 GMT

I'm biased as I'm a diehard Cardinal fan. However, you hit the nail on the head, compare him to his peers! If he's not HOF material, I don't know what is. He invoked FEAR into pitcher's. Only after he took PES did Bonds do that. Mark is being held to another standard and it isn't fair. I hope the voters see the error of their ways and elect him before it's too late. The same goes for Pete Rose!

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Bruce J. Turner, Woodgate, New York — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:12:53 GMT

It is a shame that Mark McGwire used performance-enhancing drugs. I don't know when he started and when he ended (if ever) but with all the children watching his every move what type of reputation does he have with them. Children who play the game of baseball usually pick stars like McGwire to look up to and when he does stupid things like use drugs then he should be taken off the Hall of Fame ballot next year and be left off. I think what he did is a lot worse than what Pete Rose did and Pete's banned from baseball for life!! Anybody who uses drugs to better someone on the field should be taken off the field and out of baseball.

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Bruce J. Turner, Woodgate, New York — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:18:31 GMT

I don't understand why relief pitchers like Lee Smith has such trouble being elected. He held the record for career saves until Hoffman of San Diego broke it. Being a closer out of the bullpen is just as difficult a job as hitting a career .300, hitting 70 home runs, etc... You have to be a consistent pitcher and have a lot of support behind you. When Lee Smith was pitching out of the bullpen, it wasn't like it is now when the closer only pitches one inning usually. Let's get some of the accredible pitchers into the Hall of Fame.

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Jim Robinson — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:21:26 GMT

What is so hard to grasp about this?! Of COURSE McGwire doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. Yes, he put up the numbers, but he did it by cheating, so why, oh why, would you or anyone else think he should be rewarded for it? What an asanine position to take! You have heard of athletes being stripped of medals for cheating, right? Geez, get a clue!

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Brooke Daly, formerly of St. Louis, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:34:08 GMT

As a St. Louis Cardinals fan, I was thrilled to be caught up in McGwire-mania when Mark was belting homers left and right. Today, you would have to pay me to take a McGwire autograph. The writer of this article is delusional. McGwire doesn't deserve the Hall of Fame and never will. He nailed his own casket shut and has no one to blame but himself.

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Bill San Francisco — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:38:12 GMT

The reason people are not more favorable to McGuire is that he appears to be a liar. If he had just said "I did it" he probably would be much better thought of. Jason Giambi tells the truth and we hear no more about it, McGuire, Bonds and Clemens lied (as did Pete Rose) so no one is giving them a break. Its not the crime its the coverup (Richard Nixon).

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g. kelly yarmouth, maine — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:38:34 GMT

mark mcgwire was the greatist home run hitter of our era ,steriods were taken for nagging injuries,they were not taken for more hits or power since everybody who has played baseball knows its all about hand to eye speed .sports writers are just showing they have never played the game

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Greg, Beaufort, SC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:44:32 GMT

What about Lefty O'Doul?

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Ed, Philly — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:48:38 GMT

If McGwire cheated he doesn't belong in. He got salary increases he didn't deserve so why give him any more reward.

An unspoken issue though is what should be done about all these sports reporters who oohhed and ahhhed McGwire, Bonds, and Sosa, etc. at the height of home run mania instead of investigating why these guys had the size of the Incredible Hulk.

In my opinion any sports reporter who did not do due diligence when reporting about these players does not belong in the HOF either when it comes time for them to be considered.

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Larry, Scottsdale, Az. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:56:29 GMT

Curt Shilling said it best. 50% of all major leaguers, including pitchers, and he did not exclude himself, used performance enhancing drugs from 1996 -2005 for sure. Either no one gets in who had most of their career during that era or we throw out any assumptions about anyone who did not test positive.
McGuire showed he didn't need anything to hit tons of Home runs as he hit 49 or 50 as you called it in Oakland as a 220 lb. rookie in the late '80s which is one of the hardest parks in the majors to hit the long ball.

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Erik, San Diego, California — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:07:22 GMT

Holding McGwire responsible for using performance enhancing drugs is like holding a toddler responsible for misbehaving. You need to go up the ladder to the parent. In this case, the parent, Bud Seligturned a blind eye to what he ALLOWED to go on because it was putting butts in the seats. Using drugs was in fact permissible on his watch. McGwire absolutely belongs in the HOF, but I guess it's more fun for all of us in the cheap seats to sit back and point our fingers at the bad guy..even if we were the same ones using the same finger to chant how he was "Number One" during what was arguably a very exciting time in baseball.

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Jim — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:09:29 GMT

Let Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe (shouldn't his "lifetime ban" be over by now?) in, then we'll talk about McGwire.

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Brad Shewmake, San Diego, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:21:45 GMT

I say let all the "cheaters" in. Let's keep in mind that it was MLB itself that dropped the ball on this issue by not having testing in place. I'm not condoning cheating, but you can't punish people who never tested positive because the proper testing wasn't in place. That's like flunking an entire class on suspicion of cheating when the teacher was a deaf and blind person. Palmiero and anyone else who actually failed a test should be denied. Finally, I for one, LOVED the excitement of the steroid era - it made me a baseball fan again after MLB lost me with the 1994 strike.

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Spencer, Colorado — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:30:32 GMT

the entire cast and crew of this era of baseball don't deserve to take tickets for the parking lot at the Hall of Fame. They don't deserve to enter a baseball stadium again, ever. I don't care if we're talking about the little league park down the street from their house. No diamonds for them, ever again. If they want to be in any HoF they can found their own, with a giant Asterisk over the roof.

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Bill Kramer , Pittsburgh Pa. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:33:08 GMT

Mcguire,Jackson, and any other Baseball Player, in
history, should be in the Hall of Fame if they were
talented enough to set records for their achievments
and NO ONE PERSON, OR GROUP should have the right
to block them. I will visit the hall when they actually put them in. In the meantime the real Hall of famers are in my mind and my heart, I love Baseball
but I do not love the jerks that try to protect us from the Truth

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John Shue — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:39:20 GMT

Fans got the raw deal, NOT MG. You forget he was idolized and made tons of money while conning all of America. Hey, Madoff gave millions to charities, does that Forgive him of what he's done? Can't believe the shaloowness of your perspective.

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Jose Cansaco — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:42:07 GMT

Are you braindead! Cheat Cheat - Never Beat!

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tom keefe, belleville, illinois — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:45:06 GMT

i am a die hard cardinal fan--i have enormous respect for tony--and what i respect about tony is his loyalty to mark--but--no way--no to McGwire, no to bonds, no to sosa, no to palmaro,, no to clemens, "HALL OF FAME"---think about those words,because if mcgwire goes in then so do the other cheaters--and in 15 years--there will be a borderline "jim rice" who cheated and he will get in to

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David Bennett Moncks Corner S.C. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:52:57 GMT

maybe he did maybe he didnt its all hearsay. Just like any name of that era. so in all reality no player from about1995 through 2005 should make the hall if this is the way we think.

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Leonard Radline, Kane, Pa — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:54:43 GMT

McGwire had good years before any perceived drug use and if we take into account of other sports figures in whatever sport, DUI's, gun toting, Bar brawls and the like then McGwire should be considered a gentleman of the sport. To my knowledge he hasn't been involved in any of the above incidents. Free agency with all the millions involved has ruined sports and many players in other sports have given it a bad name because they think with their millions they can do just about anything they want to. Mark McGwire is and always be a class individual.

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Tom Shumaker — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:55:59 GMT

There is no proof that I'm aware of that McGwire cheated. On the other hand, there's no proof that he didn't. His failure to answer direct questions at the aforementioned Senate hearing, and his subsequent refusal to comment about this subject since the date of the hearing has unfortunately cast him in a highly suspicious light. The result - no support for an HOF induction.

The real problem with all of this steroid talk is that baseball's top management never did anything about the steroid problem while it was at it's height. Most culpable of all is our current braindead commissioner, Bud Selig. When balls started flying out of parks all over the country & players started to resemble bulked-up WWF brawlers, you might have thought that anyone with a modicum of intelligence might have wondered what was going on. But "Birdbrain" Bud & the rest of the owners buried their heads in the sand, thankful that the fireworks generated by Sosa & McGwire & Bonds helped MLB recover from the asinine work-stoppage of 1994. They are the real villains, not McGwire.

If you give anybody a lot of rope (with a smile on your face), most likely that person will take it and run with it.

I'm not gonna lose any sleep over McGwire, though. I'd rather see Pete Rose in the hall before Mark McGwire, unless somebody can prove that Rose bet on games while he was an active player. It's his playing career that deserves HOF induction, not his time as a manager.

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AJO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:03:32 GMT

I agree with the first poster, you are a chucklehead..Good Grief

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O.D.Davenport, Juneau, Alaska — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:08:42 GMT

Though the article was well written, it cannot stand up to close scrutiny. There's no reason to take the long way around the barn here - McGwire cheated. It's that plain, it's that simple. There's no grey area here to loose one's focus on. If McGwire does make it into The Hall, it should be AFTER Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson are inducted.

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Dan Hestad, Brookline, NH — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:17:33 GMT

I think it's shameful for McGwire (or Bonds or Sosa)to even be mentioned worthy of the Hall of Fame. I don't care what their numbers are, were, or could have been. I'm tired of hearing - "Everybody did it" - does that mean everyone in the steroid era was equally guilty or equally innocent. Without chemically enhancing their performance, they had a couple of good years, but nothing noteworthy. With the drugs, they're Hall of Famers????

I'm taking my kids to Cooperstown this summer, but will never go again if any of them enter the Hall.

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TC, Lincoln — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:21:12 GMT

Why is it that one guy, Canseco, can point his finger at a bunch of people and everyone believes him? He is not the most upstanding guy and never mind the people he pointed at have never done anything wrong. All of a sudden they are the bad guys and he comes out looking golden. How does that work? Not that I don't think everyone is innocent but why are we taking his word? I read a good portion of Mitchells report and I'm sorry but a lot of it seemed to be finger pointing with not a lot of facts to back it up. It's to bad that accusations are ruining peoples reputations, ecpecially coming from a stand up citizen like Canseco. I'd vote for Mark McGuire in a heartbeat.

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Charles Iorio Glendale N.Y. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:28:15 GMT

Mark Mcgwire in the HOF FORGET it. So he would have you believe,that as we get older,our bodies IMPROVE?? Him and Clemens,,the only way they are getting into the HOF is by buying a ticket

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Bubba Galu — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:39:11 GMT

Totally off with advocating for Big Mac in the HOF. Performance enhancing drugs are wrong and honoring someone who abused them would be sending the wrong message to the youth of America. Trust me, Big Mac would have broken down physically without enhancements.

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Shawn O. Phoenix, AZ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:39:20 GMT

This is ridiculous. It is cut and dry. A .263 lifetime hitter with only 1,626 hits in 16 seasons? Hall of Fame? Please. Sure, 583 HRs used to be a lock for the Hall (the standard being 500), but you can take those rules and throw them out the window for this dark era in the game. Take a minute to compare the MLB HR average by decade, and watch them quickly increase in the 90's. I remember when 25 HR was a big deal in 1984. Thankfully baseball finally did something about it and now once again hitting homeruns in the upper 20's is respectful. Hitting 28 HR from 1995-2004 basically meant you were off the sauce. He cheated, he lied to congress, and he ran into hiding like a coward. I was a McGwire supporter in the "magic" summer of 98, but little did I know why 2 players broke Maris' 37 year old record in the same season.
McGwire will NEVER get into the Hall. This is a stain on baseball that will never come out. And, quite honestly, other than the homeruns, his numbers do not justify induction.

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Big Hop — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:40:07 GMT

Baseball writers should "NOT" be in charge of voting for the HOF, they simply prove year in and year out they are not capable. The voting should be made by all living HOF'ers only, end of story

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Eric V, Syracuse, NY — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:42:51 GMT

You people are delusional. Roids werent tested for so baseball didnt care about them obviously. Does that make using them right? No it doesnt but if you want cheaters out, gaylord Perry jimmied up the ball anyway he could get away with and he is a hall of famer. If a pitcher does it, its somehow acceptable, if a hitter does it its some how evil. Bonds has never been proven to have juiced. Do I think he did? yes, but I always thought we were inncent until PROVEN otherwise but not to the geniuses who spew venom on a board like this. And to the idiot sounding off about Shoeless Joe, he belongs in there too. A lifetime ban is just that. He is dead, thus his ban is over. Put him in.

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Kevin C, Nashua, NH — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:43:19 GMT

You are a moron. Just how do you know they were "the best home run hitters of their era"? Maybe there would have been a dozen better power hitters had everyone cheated.

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James Mentzer, Baltimore, Maryland — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:51:23 GMT

Here are my reasons for why McGwire and the many other players suspected (or known) to have used PES.
1. Look at a picture of Bonds, McGwire and Sosa at 28 and at 38. Lean, powerful athletes become bloated cartoons.
2. Since when did an athlete reach 30 and then hit the accelerator and start putting up the best numbers of their careers? How many times did Hank Aaron hit 50 homers in one year? How old were Ruth, Mantle and Maris when they reached (or almost) 60 homers?
3. One of the greatest all around players of all time, Frank Robinson, never hit 50 homers in a season. He also was the only player to hit a ball completely out of Memorial Stadium. He was as strong as there was and he never looked like a WWF wrestler. He held the record for home runs by an Oriole until about 10 years ago. A former stick thin, warning track power hitter turned muscle bound bomber named Brady Anderson now has the record because he hit 50 homers in one season.
4. The comparison to peers argument. I don't think anyone has ever questioned the source of Bo Jackson's power and strength. It is sad that we never got to see what he could really do over a full career. Instead we got to see numbers racked up by hitters that needed drugs to do what Bo did naturally. For pitchers I think one direct peer comparison is all that is needed. Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens. The only substance that I know Maddux used was frozen water.
Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe will never be let in because of questionable ethics but not their abilities and statistics. You believe McGwire and others should be allowed in even though they used questionable ethics to enhance their abilities and statistics.
Your standards for induction are unique.

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Jerry, Westfield, IN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:54:45 GMT

Being a closer out of the bullpen is just a difficult job as hitting a career .300???? Are you kidding me, you obviously do not know baseball that well!

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paul, nyc,ny — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:05:04 GMT

I don't agree with you, but fine. Let McGwire in the HOF, but here is the deal. He has to come completely clean on his use of PES. That is fair. So that the vote is based on his real talent with ALL the factors taken in consideration.

But he won't. Because those who vote had a vested interest in keeping up scam that is PES in major league baseball (and all sports, for that matter)

Having them vote on a the HOF is like having the foxes voting on the best chicken!

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fudd, Dallas, Texas — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:06:11 GMT

apples and oranges.....but maybe if he were in the NFL and cried and sobbed like coke head Irving, he would get voted in to the hall too

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C.D. Clark — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:15:49 GMT

I was a big McGwire fan and I love the Cardinals. However, once he went before Congress and screwed his own image, I was done with him. I gave away the jersey I bought with his name on it because I would have never worn it again. He should not be in the Hall and I thank the voters for not putting him in such a place of honor!!!

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Jim Sheffroth. Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:41:23 GMT

McGwire himself apparently has no interest in being in the HOF. After all, induction is based on things done in the past...and as we all know, Mark doesn't want to talk about the past!!

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Keith Woodruff, Poplar Bluff, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:56:41 GMT

Show me a "Positive" test for PES and then you can ban him from the HOF and call him a doper and cheater. But you don't have that do you? Innocent until proven guilty, it's the law of the land.

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John Walthall, Olympia Washington — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:27:44 GMT

Everyone is making the assumption, without basis of fact, that he actually cheated. There is a good reason for this, but conjecture does not equal truth. McGuire inspired a generation through his play. While his testimony (or lack thereof) before congress was disappointing keep in mind that this is the same player who retired and walked away from over $20 million because he felt he could no longer play at a high level. HOF worthy? A lot more so than some of the scrubs who managed to get in before him.

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Craig — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:39:51 GMT

The fact is, if we held everyone out of the Hall on suspicion, we'd have to simply ban inductees for a decade because you have no idea who was using. What this really proved is not that Mark was less deserving than the other "suspected" (wanna bet nearly all of those accused did, in fact, use?) but that being *honest* is what society today punishes. Bad guys get away (look at business) and good guys get punished. Mark may have said "I'm not here to talk about the past" but he was *also* being honest, in front of everyone, and letting us know yes...he is guilty of some wrong-doing. But he stood up and was accounted for. He didn't come out and blatantly say he did anything illegal....he was in front of *congress*, for God's sake!.....but he did everything just short of that. So what do we do? Punish him! Anybody wanna bet how many *lying* steroids abusers get into the Hall?

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Richard Lee, Oceanside, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:53:22 GMT

Instructions for voting from the Hall of Fame website: "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

When McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens decided to use steroids they brought their integrity, sportsmanship, and character into question. Considering these are half of the factors that the voters take into consideration, I think it is perfectly reasonable that none of them get into the Hall of Fame

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davey barnes,huntington,wv — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:54:30 GMT

raw deal for mike - possibly so, but we will just have to welcome him into the many,many, players ( buck lenoard for example, negro leauges ) not to be enshrined....

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Alan Hoch — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:38:56 GMT

The evidence of his cheating is all circumstantial, yet everyone is racing to announce that he is a bold-faced caught-in-the act cheater. Truth is that he deserves to get into the Hall and he is being kept out to serve as a scapegoat for a period of time where everyone in the biz knew there were juiced players yet said nothing because of all the money and fame involved. It's only after the fact that people get on their moral high-horse. McGuire is not getting in so that a lot of people can feel good about their supposed moral superiority and injury even while they forget their own complicity in the original "crime".

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Tyrus Maine, Brantford, Ontario — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:46:26 GMT

I agree with the writer in that Mark McGwire is a HOF'er. He was never found guilty of anything illegal therefore should not be banned for "suspicions". If you believe Jose Canseco then the majority of players were using some sort of performance enhancing drugs. So in that regard the HOF won't have any inductees for a 15 year span.
By the way, isn't Gaylord Perry in the HOF.....that's the guy that admitted he doctored baseballs while pitching to use to his advantage.

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Jon Holden, Marshalltown, Iowa — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:54:50 GMT

How can this be said, the man help bring back baseball to the nation when it was in dier need. Between him and Sosa during the miracle year, nobody brought this stuff up then and now all of a sudden somebody gets popped for steroids and he gets accused. Give me a break, no wonder our nation is in the turmoil it is. Worry about what has been proven and not what is left to the imagination people.

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Chris H, Philadelphia, PA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:55:14 GMT

I completely agree with the writer and completely disagree with, what was the 1st person's word, you "chuckleheads" leaving comments? We all think we "know" that McGwire "cheated". We all think we "know" when the steroid era "started" and "ended". Amphetamines were put out in clubhouses like candy in the 60s and 70s, how is this different? Did Hank Aaron take greenies? If so, should we take away his record? I think everybody who points out the "cheaters" is a big hypocrite. So quick to make Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire the fall guys. Also, the greatest hitter of all time - Pete Rose - is not in the Hall of Fame. Yes, betting on baseball means a lifetime ban from the game. But why does that mean banned from the Hall? Why not put a big asterisk on his plaque? Revisionist history is infuriating. Fact: Bonds and McGwire were the most dominant players of their era. Let's just pretend the whole thing never happened and didn't count. None of the "cheaters" get in, whether convicted or not. Let's just say they're guilty. Even if we don't really know. And furthermore, let's not count any of the stats in any of the games from 1988-2003 because we don't know who was juicing. David Cone's perfect game? Gone. David Wells's? Gone. Clearly Wells was a juicer. Otherwise, how could he play drunk?

Unless the Hall of Fame is about what really happened (i.e. the performance on the field), it is bull. Make a whole exhibit about the steroid users. Put a big fat asterisk on Bonds' and McGwire's records if you like. But pretending they don't exist is just stupid.

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David, San Francisco — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:12:08 GMT

The voters didn't vote him in because he was not man enough to address the issue of steroids. It takes more than just performance on the field. You're a sports writer? Give me a break.

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Tim, Ohio — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:36:55 GMT

It is ashame he used PES. It really is. I don't aprove of it, and it set a poor example for impressionable kids. The real shame is that he was a HOF'er without the drugs. He was going to hit 45 to 50 a year, regardless. Just look what he did his rookie year. 49 homers, and he looked like Dave Kingman, skinny as could be.

Same goes for Bonds. He did not need them, and was a shoo in for the HOF. Now, his legacy is tainted, all because he was pissed off by being overshadowed by Sosa and McGwire. Let's move on. Cheating can't be rewarded, even if the numbers are in the stratosphere....

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David Shiner, Prairie Crossing, Illinois — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:55:49 GMT

Ted, you've misstated the argument about the distinction between McGwire and Bonds. The allegations of McGwire's drug use go back almost to his rookie year, tainting all of his records. The Bonds allegations don't begin until he'd been in the majors for about 15 years and already put up Hall of Fame numbers. I'm not saying I buy the argument, but it makes more sense than you have seen fit to give it. If it was simply about "cheating," of course you'd be correct.

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Sandeep, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:15:26 GMT

I guess by the author's same logic as to Mark McGuire, Marion Jones should be given her Olympic medals back, too!!!!

Neither McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmeiro nor Clemens belong in the HOF. They all cheated.

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Chris, Virginia Beach va — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:30:28 GMT

LOL Yea right he cheated. Sorry folks I agree with the writer on this one. The guy put up huge numbers early in his career. The people who think bonds isn't a cheater needs to wake up. That guy went from 175 ponds to 245 and built like a BSH. Mark was responsible for the resurgence of baseball after the strike. If for any reason at all he should be in the hall just for that. Because with out him and Sosa baseball would still be trying to fill stadiums.

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Eileen Dreyer, St. Louis, Mo — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:43:00 GMT

Just how hypocritical are the sportwriters and fans in this country? We all sat there during the roid years and cheered the home runs and pitching duels, knowing full well that steroids were being used. As long as the home runs sailed out and the pitchers threw strikes--and the money came in--nobody cared. And then we turn around and say shame to a situation we encouraged? What gives us the right now to be moral arbiters? And why should McGwire be the whipping boy? This is a man who almost single-handedly saved baseball. Or don't you remember that after the players' strike it was the summer of McGwire-Sosa that brought the fans back? I agree with everything Mr. Robinson says. McGwire belongs in the HOF. He played in a time when everyone blithely ignored the rampant use of steroids in baseball, against players who were using(and, as Mr. Robinson said, he still hasn't been named in any investigation, except for that bottle of legal, OTC andro). Even if he did use, if you keep him out, you'd better darn well keep out every player who has actually been named and/or indicted. Come to think of it, keep everybody out. If we've convicted McGwire on what little evidence we have, how do we know every other player wasn't using, too? And if you keep them out, throw out every other player who had a questionable past. In fact, close the HOF entirely. AFter all, we can never be sure again.

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pittsburgh Pa — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:52:27 GMT

Why don’t we just close the HOF. I am sure that most if not all who wrote a COMMENT never played baseball or a real sport . McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa all should be in the HOF. I will say what I always tell people about baseball NO MATTER HOW BIG YOU ARE IF YOUCAN’T HIT A BASEBALL < THEN YOUCAN’T HIT A BASEBALL. I am sure that if you go through the HOF most of the players in there would not be there .

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Ted, Boston, MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:54:38 GMT

No Pete Rose no Mark McGwire, end of discussion.

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Bob D., Alvin, TX — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:18:03 GMT

I hate to rain on all you hater's parades but the HOF is already full of cheaters, they just didn't use steroids. Spitballers, corked bat users, mega amphetemine users. The problem with Bonds, Sosa and McGuire is that they cheated in the in your face media era so they're cheating was there for millions and millions to see. And what's really chaps my rear is that major leage baseball allowed all of this to happen and just turned their head the other way and now they want to go after all of them in some sort of witch hunt to make themselves look good.

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Andre, Woodbridge Va — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:45:38 GMT

McGwire deserves to be in the HOF. Looking back, baseball was going through a tough time getting fans back. McGwire, Sosa and Bonds helped put fans in the seats and money in peoples pockets. You can't for one moment really think that people DIDN'T know what was going on can you???? Money was being made and everyone turned away, INCLUDING fans. How many Sport Center cut ins did we see when McGwire and Sosa were chasing 61? As a fan, can you really say that you didn't think that they were using something? But still we were captivated. Another point is that if you really believe that they were the only ones doing it then you are sadly mistaken. Pitchers were using as well, its just not talked about the same. So, you had pitchers using, hitters using and McGwire still did what he did. The whole era was tainted. If we don't put McGwire in, then A-Rod, Jeter, and a whole host of others shouldn't get in as well because can we say that we definatevly know if they were using?

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Jeremy, Sydney, Australia — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:09:38 GMT

How boneheaded are you people? At the time he took the stuff it was not a banned substance. You want to punish a person retroactively ( look it up. ).
Let me put it this way - if they decide today to place chewing tobacco on the banned substance list - does that mean that the record of every player who has chewed tobacco should be marked with an asterisk?
Get it into your skulls - what he did was not illegal at that time.
This does not justify his actions, but it certainly should not be used against him.

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Brian, Toms River, NJ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:27:19 GMT

Talk about raw deals. You're too young to remember Roger Maris. He held the major league home run record longer than Babe Ruth!

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Mike, Boston MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:36:14 GMT

You miss the point of his dominating that one offensive dimension. He was cheating and using drugs to achieve those fantastic numbers like Sosa and Bonds who you reference.

Do we reward dopers and cheaters into the hall of fame.

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Get Real — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:44:01 GMT

Look at all the people so quick to say 'we know he cheated'... How? How do you know that? Did you read the article? Are you dealing with facts here?

The facts are real simple: even if McGwire was using steroids - which has never been proven - steroids WERE NOT AGAINST THE RULES OF MLB AT THE TIME.

So, you want to ban someone for excelling at their sport who didn't break any of the rules? HOW IS THAT CHEATING!

Does one person who posted that McGwire cheated have any evidence of this whatsoever, or are they just judgemental losers who wouldn't want anyone scouring their personal lives?

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Terry Lavenstein — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:46:59 GMT

whether McGwire should or shouldn't be "in" will be debated every year.
What has always irked me is that the "twits" in the sports writers club, has much too much power in deciding who does or doesn't belong.
This very prestigious award should be left to the fans, and the powers that be in major league baseball.
The writers seem to place their personal biases ahead of any rational, objective criteria.

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The Babe — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:58:56 GMT

McGwire, Bonds, and Clemens were drug using cheaters plain and simple. They deserve neither fan respect nor enshrinment in the HOF. The three of them only deserve scorn and public humiliation just like the Black Sox of old.

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Dana, Jacksonville, FL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:04:41 GMT

Everyone keeps mentioning that McGwire cheated. I want to know how it is cheating when it was NOT against the rules? It was perfectly legal, maybe a morale or ethical issue, but not illegal. Is it cheating for an accountant to use a calculator?

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Michael Longo — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:10:27 GMT

Robinson,

Two points:

1. Taka a stand and cast votes. That's part of your function. You can't abdicate control of that power and then have the bag to write articles like this. It affects your credibility;

2. So your logic is: McGuire should get in to the HOF because compared tohis peers, he was the best cheater of all the cheaters in his era. Don't forget the asterisk!!!!!

Mic

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Bob Hammond, Douglasvile, GA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:15:46 GMT

McGwire gets what he deserves. He used performance enhancing substances so let one of the supplement stores put him in their hall of fame, not baseballs.

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Gordon Cain Richmond, Virginia — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:26:26 GMT

Sorry, but you're way off base on this one-McGwire WAS one-dimensional-he didn't run bases ( steal ) well, he didn't field particularly well, his arm was average and he didn't hit for average..what's left ? oh yea, his home runs...( a 5-tool player he wasn't )well, then let's also vote Dave Kingman in since he hit lots of home runs too !
( and by the way, that's the stats argument against his inclusion-i also oppose him because he WAS a cheat and i oppose all the others who cheated as well ).

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Chris, Moorestown, NJ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:28:02 GMT

The problem with McGwire is that his numbers were beefed up after we suspected him of doing Steroids. Bonds atleast had a HOF career before he started doing Steroids, so you can make a case that he was always a HOF'er. McGwire had some lean years in the early 90's of injuries, as his numbers dipped after the A's traded Canseco. McGwire revitalized his career after he started juicing in the mid 90's, and I believe if he stayed clean, he would have been a bubble HOF'er. He probably would have retired in the 400's of HR's instead of 583, and because he didn't hit for average, and was just a HR hitter, he would have fallen short for the HOF.

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Felix, Miami, Florida — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:31:24 GMT

McGwire was a quality player before taking andro (and while he was taking andro it was not illegal) --- he should be in the Hall. However, for not coming clean, he should be forced to wait.

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Casey, Bellaire, Michigan — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:32:40 GMT

No way, no how, not now, not ever, does McGwire deserve to be in the HOF. Bonds, Clemens, and others in that boat deserve the same also. The HOF is for players who made a POSITIVE mark on the game of baseball and amintained it's integrity. None of the aforementioned did that. They brought shame & disgrace. It's the "HALL OF FAME", not "HALL OF SHAME".

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ROCKNROLL DUDE SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:36:19 GMT

NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT STEROIDS WHEN BASEBALL WAS ON THE BRINK OF OBLIVION AFTER THE HORRENDOUS STRIKE OF 1994, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OWNERS STEPPING UP TO TEST PLAYERS BECAUSE EVERYONE YES , EVERYONE WAS MAKING MONEY THE STADIUMS WERE BEING PACKED BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE HOME RUNS HIT...I MYSELF(BARRY BONDS'FAN) WENT TO A LOT OF GAMES NOT TO SEE A NO HITTER PITCHED BUT TO SEE BARRY BONDS AND ANY OTHER PLAYER PUT ONE IN THE SEATS. I SAY LET ANY PERSON WITHOUT WRONG OR CHEATING IN THEIR PAST THROW THE FIRST STONE HERE. DO I THINK PETE ROSE SHOULD IN THE HALL OF FAME ? YOU DAMN RIGHT HE SHOULD! I THINK HE SHOULD BE JUDGED BY HIS PLAYING BETWEEN THE LINES OF THE DIAMOND NOT WHAT HE DID OFF THE FIELD. IT'S A SHAME THAT ONLY NOW AFTER THE DANGER IS PAST , THAT BASEBALL IS POINTING FINGERS AND TEARING DOWN THE PLAYERS THAT IN MY OPINION SAVED THE GAME FROM BECOMING AN HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE.

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charlie, milwaukee — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:41:25 GMT

Excuse me, but not one of you have any evidence that Mark McGwire cheated. Remember, in this country it is innocent until proven guilty. Just because he chose not to answer questions from a self serving congressional committee does not mean he cheated. And by the way steroids were NOT against baseball rules when Mark was playing. He absolutely belongs in the hall of fame and any baseball writer who does not vote for him should not have a vote.

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John, Baltimore, Maryland (GO RAVENS!) — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:45:09 GMT

Jim brings up a good point about athletes in other sports being stripped of medals(Olympic Champions) and trophies(the recent Tour De France Champion who's name slips my mind right now). Anyone who uses drugs should not be allowed to even be on the ballot. It bring disgrace and dishonor to the sport and shows the youth of this and other countries a bad example. Evryone knows how the youth look up to sports figures. One more thought, any artifacts in the HOF should have a BIG asterik next the item if the record is tainted with drugs. If the athlete has a problem with that, either take your s**t back and put it in your own house to remind yourself of what you did to the sport or DEAL with it.

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Spence, Pella, IA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:51:54 GMT

The thing I have to get over is...what do you say the average age of hero-worshipping little leaguer is? 9? We'll say 9. So that 9-yr. old sees the 1998 season with McGwire/Sosa and finds who he wants his hero to be, who he looks up to. Now 8, 9 years later when he's 16, he sees his hero retired and in a courtroom backing away from anything that incriminates him from cheating. That average easily influenced 16 year old has his hero process shattered. And that ruins the spark he has for baseball. Forever. I don't want the person that caused that kind of soul crushing to be glorified among his peers. I respect the voters in taking votes away from him this year. It was shameful. Congratulations HOF board, you got it right this year. Except for Blyleven. Different article though.

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nate, washington dc — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:52:06 GMT

gaylord perry cheated. bob gibson cheated. bob feller cheated. rickey henderson stole signs. why is it okay for these guys to be in but not mcgwire? you can argue that doing steroids, "alledgedly" i might add, would give him an unfair advantage, but wasn't that also the point of the spitball?

people need to get out of their ivory towers and take a look at the era he played in.

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Chris, Normal, IL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:56:02 GMT

HE SAVED BASEBALL. I dont care what anyone else says, ok he took some supplements that got him big. He still needed to catch up with a 95 mph fastball. Baseball was going down until him and Sosa had their homerun battle and got fans excited about the game. He should be in, hands down!

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John Ill. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:02:25 GMT

We live in a world where men take pills for E. D. Men and women have surgery for cosmetic reasons. When McGwire played the substances he is accused of using were legal. All of the holier that thou types need to get over it. McGwire and Rose deserve to be in the HOF. Rose for is play on the field not for what he did later as a manager. McGwire and Sosa for bringing interest back to baseball with their home run derby.

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Dave C — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:13:17 GMT

Any player caught using a performance enhancing drug or chemical, whether just baseball illegal or government illegal, should be banned from the hall. What's next all the gamblers black listed be let in too?

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JB, Northern Kentucky — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:15:59 GMT

Ok, so let's get this straight. Mark is labeled a cheater because he used andro before it became illegal to use it. Because of this, he is not HOF material. Let's break it down further and include different sports:

NASCAR - drivers and mechanics modified parts of their cars to give themselves a better shot at winning! Then, NASCAR made certain changes illegal. Now, does that put an asterisk by that driver's name because they did something that was legal but then wasn't? Does that take them out of the "NASCAR HOF"?

Football - Using pine sap, or other sticky material, to help receivers catch the ball. Once was legal, now is not. Does this mean that any "HOF" players that used it when it was legal should have their "HOF" status revoked, or should not have been invited into the HOF in the first place?

Let's get real people. Mark was one of the players that gave the "America's Game" its attentance and viewership back after the strike. Yes, we are a society of short-term memories, unless it involves something that someone did that was legal when they did it and was outlawed afterwards. Put Mark in the HOF. He did more for baseball than most of the recent inductees.

And again, this shows that people that have never lived-up to the successes of others are the first ones to criticize them. Let's all try to strive to more successful then we are, then maybe we'll earn the right to "dis" someone when they do something wrong (but only after it is found to be wrong, not before then).

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Kate, Nashville — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:16:49 GMT

McGwire was Dave Kingman on steroids. He was terrible defensively and couldn't do anything but hit a home run or strike out. Even without the steroids, I don't think he is a HOF. His game was woefully incomplete. Say what you will about Bonds, but he was a HOF without steroids -- he could do it all. McGwire, not so much.

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Mike Birmingham,Al. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:19:34 GMT

Of course he deserves to be the hall of fame. So does Rose by the way. McGwire played in the "steroid era" where many players,pitchers,etc. were juiced. Who knows how many or to what extent. Some may even be elected someday. During this era MM excelled with Hall Of Fame performance. Baseball in effect turned a blind eye to the juicing because of $. Got it.
The whole era is "tainted" but the players in it don't deserve punishment now they needed to fix things than. They didn't!
Since its impossible to know who did or didn't juice treat it as though they played within an unfortunate era and yes some[MM] were the best of that lot. Take the emotion out of it.

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John Morrison, York, PA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:20:53 GMT

Boy there are a lot of angry fans responding that McGwire cheated and blah blah blah, should never be allowed in the hall.
I have news for these moral stalwarts whom obey every rule.
Everyone of the top players from that era used performance enhancers of some kind. Amino acids, creatine, performance whey; hello they're all designed to enhance performance. So some are legal some are not, McGwire and Sosa's HR battle rejuvenated a declining sport, made it fun to watch again.
Everyone was cheating, the playing field was level McGwire stood out as one of the best of his era and deserves to be in the hall. He dominated the game and was a guy your pitching staff had to have a plan to pitch to him.
Baseball fans are so ridiculous when it comes to this, and their precious numbers. If you really care about the game, get off this steroid crap and start talking about why there are no daytime world series games and why playoff games don't start until 8:30pm when the average regular season game starts at 7:05. they've missed a whole generation of fans by grabbing the tv revenue and forsaking the fan.

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Joel Friedman Brooklyn, NY — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:22:29 GMT

McGuire was a one trick pony, just like Dave Kingman. Low lifetime batting average, no defense, low lifetime RBI totals and STEROID use kill his chances. There are plenty of deserving players who are on the outside looking in like Gil Hodges, Andre Dawson, Blyleven, Kaat and others. Stop thinking about Mcguire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro and all the other juicers. They simply don't deserve consideration for the Baseball Hall Of Fame!

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Kansas City — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:28:58 GMT

STEROIDS DON'T MAKE YOU A BETTER BASEBALL PLAYER....McGUIRE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME

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Mike Sosnin, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:31:36 GMT

+ 1 for no McGwire till Charlie Hustle gets in and since that will never happen....

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asu — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:35:50 GMT

McGuire disgraced the game. Period.

See Pete Rose.

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C S, Springfield, Illinois — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:36:54 GMT

I may be biased because I am a Cardinal fan and I loved watching McGwire, but in the USA, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty. There is no one....I repeat no one trying to go after him for steroids, so we have no proof he ever did take them. Look, they are after Bonds and now Clemens. Until you can put the proof that McGwire took ILLEGAL steroids out there....he deserves to be in the HOF.

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John, St. Louis, Mo — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:37:49 GMT

Well written, but way off the mark. Bottom line - HE CHEATED! So he should obviously NOT be rewarded for it. His numbers are artificial. Same goes for Bonds, Sosa, and yes, Clemmons!

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Matt, Houston — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:41:44 GMT

McGwire, Bonds & Sosa - none deserve the Hall. They cheated while others didn't. Take players like Thome, Biggio & Griffey, who played with natural talent. And that Bonds argument about "he should get in based on what he did before he cheated" doesn't hold water either. I give you Pete Rose.

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Brady Marr, Amarillo, TX — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:44:46 GMT

A bunch of closed minded people out there! Baseball is to blame for ignoring the problem for so long. Fact: we will never know for sure who was doing what during the steroid era. But I want to see players that I grew up watching and cheering for in the Hall of Fame just like those of other generations. I am too young to remember Roger Maris, Mantle, Jim Rice, Joe Morgan, etc...but I watched and cheered for McGwire, Henderson, Bonds and they were the best of MY generation

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Bryan Rivas, Santo Domingo, DR. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:45:50 GMT

This is ridiculous. Anyone who succeeded in the ERA of CHEATING shouldnt be denied, one simple reason: it was rampant, yet only a selected few put up the numbers to be head and shoulders above the rest. Jim Rice entered the hall of fame and rightfully so because he was the best in his ERA. Mac and Bonds should be in for the same reasons, baseball allowed the cheating, live with it. The post-steroids ERA will also let in anyone who was the best in that era. There is no room for asterisks, Clemens was superior without the roids, and with them as well. MOVE ON ALREADY. LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES. BUT DONT DWELL ON THEM.

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jerseyguns, bridgewater nj — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:46:06 GMT

If find your comment about Ryan's seven regular season no-hitters as specious. Point of fact, that is a major reason why he should be in the HOF. Total number wins, total number Ks, longevity. Mcguire was a juiced, single quality, player, who would not come clean. He had one whole gold Glove? Wow. No batting titles, no World Series titles. Nothing.

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Mike Baker, Wichita,KS. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:46:34 GMT

Am I missing something? Were there rules on Steroid use in baseball or not when McGwire was playing? Did they test for steroids when McGwire was playing?
I'm not 100% sure he used them (probably 99% sure,but not 100% because he never failed a test,right?) but unfortunately he didn't help himself in front of Congress. But we should all ask ourselves, did we question any of these hitters or pitchers results at that time, or did we just watch & get excited everytime someone hit a 500ft homerun? I don't think cheaters should be allowed in the HOF, but if they were never caught, what do you do? Innocent until....

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E.Spooner — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:47:48 GMT

McGwire used a legal substance,not a drug, and when people whined about it he quit using it. He also had it in plan site for anyone to see in his locker. So to all you ignorant people saying he is a druggie, get off of your antidepressants you eat like candy and wake up, Mark and Pete should both be in the hall, it is a measurement of what you did playing the game, not who you are, if you want to stoop to this then kick the bigot Ty Cobb out of the hall.

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Neil Basanavicius, Nashville, TN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:55:41 GMT

It seems a lot of people who think Big Mac does not belong in the HOF are misinformed. What he was taking was not banned and even approved by the various clubs for use. It was not banned until 3 years later. So should everyones actions were legal but were illegal years later?? Look at the mans career - he was one of the top players before he took the APPROVED enhancer. Big Mac you had an amazing career and were always a TEAM player not a ME player. I hope these folks with blinders on see that and put you in the HOF as you richly deserve.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:56:09 GMT

Fried Mac belongs on a list - the cheaters list. I will only agree to the mac getting in if the other cheaters are allowed, until then no way. I have stopped watching MLB because they have become a bunch of rich spoiled brats. As far as I am concerned, it should have fallen to way side because they have become soo rotten.

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HF201, Waldwick NJ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:56:47 GMT

The comparison between McGwire's HOF candidacy with that of Bonds, Sosa, Palmiero, Pudge, and Clemens is an appropriate one, and I have no problem feeling that none of them should get in. I've always thought induction should reflect not only the highest quality performance over a reasonable period of time, but also be reserved for those who were "good for the game" (whatever that means to a given voter). For me, anyone who doesn't rely ONLY on hard work and their God-given (no pharmaceuticals, in other words) fails the second test.

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Patrick Gregg, Lynn, MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:58:14 GMT

"Thus, if a voter rejects McGwire for ethical reasons, the same standard must be used for Bonds, Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro (failed drug test), Pudge Rodriguez, and even Roger Clemens." -- Correct. These players should be banned. There is overwhelming impartial evidence collected and presented through the Mitchell report to show that these players made conscious efforts to give themselves an edge. Just as Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson and others brought shame to the game of baseball, so have these individuals.

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Rick, St Louis Mo. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:05:12 GMT

No "if's, ands, or buts" Mark McGwire put up HOF numbers.. I don't think that is a question. Mark McGwire was the player to bring baseball back after all the fans were let down by the strike.. He did it with excitement at the plate and charisma we all enjoyed and looked up to as fans.. What we do know to be fact is the Andro use, he admitted, it was legal at that time which in turn means he did not cheat with that use. Everything else is speculation! Come on, we have soldiers defending this country for what we have grown to love and that is the freedom we enjoy as Americans..one of our "freedoms" is innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Speculate all you want and call him guilty all you want... Mark Mcgwire deserves that same freedom.. He deserves the recognition for what he did for the game and what he accomplished as a player. If you are one of the "speculators" how would you feel being judged and convicted with no trial as he is being judged and convicted. I for one hope you never stand in front of a jury like that and expect to be treated fairly then, because, if you ever do, and expect to be treated in a fair way, you are then a hypocrate.

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Paul Anderson Indialantic, Fl — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:05:33 GMT

The only dimension any of the three you name - McGuire, Sosa and Bonds - had, was roids. They do not belong in the Hall of Fame. Any accomplishments for these cheaters shouldnt be in the record books any more than cheaters at West Point should be made officers. As a culture we should not teach that the rule is if you cheat you win. It is true most of the time, but it should not be heralded!

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Mark — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:06:08 GMT

Show me some proof where McGuire used steriods. There is none. Don't compare him to Rose. Please, Rose bet on games. Hard evidence that he did. Then he denied it. He only admitted it when he is grovelling to get back into baseball.

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Wyatt Torrence, Lynchburg, VA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:14:45 GMT

It's so funny to hear the criticism given by all these people putting there input here! Are all of you squeeky clean? Not one of you cheated on a test or something of that matter to get where you are now! Not one person on this earth can say that they didn't do something considered wrong to get where they are now! Maybe it was a look over the shoulder of a fellow classmate to get the right answer on a test, or the half hearted pull up with an extra little feet kick to get that exact number of pull-ups to pass the physical exam, or sold sporting tickets for more than they paid for them, or driven home after we had more than one or two drinks, etc. Mark McQuire will ALWAYS be a HOF whether people here want to beleive it or not! He had an awesome career and from someone who once used Andro, it does allow the body to develop ALOT more than people gave it credit. I have never and will never consider steroids as an option and I have had it offered! So unless you were in that locker room with McQuire to see him atually use it, then don't discuss things you don't know is true! Out of all the HOF, we have no idea how many of them may have used something, anything that could have enhanced their abilities further than what their God given bodies would allow. It could have been something as simple as caffeine pills just to give them that boost of energy for the upcoming game. If you really look at what performance enhancing drugs means, it would encompass anything that would alter your body to allow it to perform better, so things like caffeine, creatine, NO2 products, etc. should be considered because they allow one's body to have more energy, or get bigger. It might be a slower process but it still ENHANCES one's athletic abilities. Why else would the supplement industry be a multi-million dollar industry. And I'm certain that almost all athletes in any sport of any age is using some supplement or another to enhance their abilities. The funniest thing is that steroids were not always illegal. So what percentage of players that are already in the HOF during the period used steroids when they weren't considered illegal? Is it fair for players who used them then to be there but now that it is considered illegal that they should no longer be considered into the HOF? What happens if creatine is one day considered illegal? Will all the current players in major league sports suddenly be considered cheaters? There will always be new, legal enhancing drugs. And more than likely, they will all probably be considered illegal or banned. But with science of the body continuing to grow, scientists will just come up with even more legal (at least, for the moment) enhancing drugs. And yes, people do get stripped of there medals, but you know why they got caught instead of some of there competitors? They more than likely didn't cycle and clean their body out right! There are numerous ways to hide enhancing drug use by flushing your system. It's so easy for people to judge and point fingers, but when it happens to them or someone close to them, they have no problem finding excuses. This whole matter is about getting caught and not getting caught! We've all been there, but not all of us have gotten caught for the things we've done! So be careful to judge, because it may be your turn to face the judge one day! And can anyone truly say that they are squeeky clean? Mark McQuire deserves to be in the HOF! He was an awesome athlete and terrific roll model! He wasn't arrogant when he broke Maris' record! He went and hugged the Maris family (that's alot more than I can say for other players out there).

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Wilson, Brooklyn, NY — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:18:01 GMT

You are correct, you should not be voting for the Hall of Fame.

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d s willis — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:20:26 GMT

McGwire is a cheater - no bones about it and does not deserve HOF. What about a class guy Bert Byleven. Take a look at his numbers and see if they are not HOF worthy. His only problem was he did not play for any "great" teams ie East Coast teams.

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Joe Novak, Chicago,IL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:23:18 GMT

I think that the person that called you a chucklehead got it right. I, however, being from Chicago, have a different slant on it. I think that you are a Mariotti. You just bring up a stupid stance to get people to respond to it because anyone with at least half a brain would realize that he CHEATED, got that? HE CHEATED and he was fine with it. He is also a theif. He beat Roger Maris' record and had the gall to accept congratulations from his family even though HE KNEW THAT HE CHEATED. He, Barry Bonds and (yes, I AM a Cubs fan) Sammy Sosa should be banned from the HOF and their statistics should be burned from history's memory. They are lying selfish cheating greedy morons and should just go silently away.

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Dave, Louisville, KY — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:29:34 GMT

Like Greg in CO, I'm a lifelong Cardinals fan. But there is no way McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Clemens, and Bonds can get into the Hall of Fame. Rose impugned the integrity of the game by betting on games he managed. These players impugned the game by seeking a chemically-induced advantage over others. Their guilt by way in which they've all contucted themselves and the current legal matters of some of them make this obvious. I was a fan of every player I just mentioned growing up and into early adulthood, but you can't expect your legacy to be celebrated when you cheated. Just can't happen.
To the Hall of Fame voters--but Andre Dawson in the Hall all ready. Keeping him out is a disgrace.

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Erin, Parker CO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:36:33 GMT

Perhaps the 'Hall' needs a separate 'Wall.' Let the Fans vote for players included onto the 'Wall.' Their records displayed along with their statements and photos sitting in front of Congress. The hitters got caught, but there were, maybe still are, plenty of juiced pitchers too. Let's face it, at 35 the body can't compete like it did at 25. At 40, and making new records? That guy is juiced!

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Bob, Scottsdale, AZ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:36:33 GMT

So logically (?) one must do the P.C. thing of excluding phenomenol baseball players from an era when muscle-massing became acceptable using over-the-counter drugs.

No less than Michael Jordan's golf-gam(bl)ing or Pete Rose's clubhouse wagering or John Daly's beer-swilling albatross it is difficult understanding how their off-field actions diminished their undisputable superior athletic performances. Need Lance Armstrong also be included from athletic recognition simply by including him in group that was caught using enhancing drugs? Doubt that.

When the agendized P.C. factor is parsed from demonstrated, pure athletic talent all athletes deserving of special recognition will ascend to their places.

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John Indianapolis — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:43:25 GMT

McGwire, Bonds, Sosa took a perfectly good sport and turned it into mediocre entertainment. They and the owners who profit from their abuse remind me of the World Wrestling Federation although wrestling is a better entertainment value. Vince McMahon and company make a lot of money with the "show". The HOF to date represents athletes who contributed to the sport not the show. Most people want it to stay that way. Someday, hopefully in my lifetime, some young kid will scream out Baseball isn't fake...and it will be true again. Right now you could remake the epic movie of our time - Ready to Rumble - in which David Arquette makes it his quest to restore wrestling to its glory, and make it a baseball movie starring Mark McGwire. It would be funny, predictable and fake. If they let him in the HOF they should be required to change the name to Hall of Entertainment. After all they made the WWF change its name to WWE.

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Tom — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:44:16 GMT

Is it call "The Hall of Cheaters?"

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John Brown, Connecticut — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:54:39 GMT

I agree Mark should be in the HOF, his fielding skills were at a professional level, but it's his bat that should place him there.

Another quick comment about baseball's PES era: MLB, Players Association, Owners, Fans, and the Baseball Writers Association didn't want to address the issue as it was happening, so the Baseball Writers Association should not try to judge past actions with today's rules. There is still a thing called a 'Statute of Limitations' in our country. At the time there were no or limited rules against PESs (which the use of I am personally opposed to), so voters should just make the following assumption about all players from that era - they all used. With that said then compare the player against his contemoraries for the HOF

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Rich Batdorf, Wauseon, Ohio — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:55:08 GMT

You stated players should be judged against their peers. I believe in the end McGwire and Schilling will end up in the same position as one of their peers, Pete Rose, and should end up doing some time for not telling the truth about their steroid use.

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Fenarkle Man, San Diego, Calif. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:56:32 GMT

I agree. You are a complete chucklehead. McGwire=STEROIDS! That's why he did not get in. I'd sooner vote Pete Rose's bookie into the National Baseball Hall of Fame than that over-inflated, "I'm not here to talk about the past" lying McGwire. If character counts, and it does, then he does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Tony Oliva, Jim Kaat, Tommy John, Lee Smith and...for GAWD's sake...Andre Dawson...for crying out loud!!!...deserve to be in the Hall of Fame decades before McGwire might even get a hint of smelling the front door.

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Bob Hughes, Colorado Springs, Colorado — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:57:15 GMT

If your going to ban one, then you have to ban all the players of that era. How can you pick one and not the other when there is doubt about them all.

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Cindy Steiner St. Louis MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:57:44 GMT

If McGwire had answered that he used PES during his testimony, he'd be hanged (as he is now). If he had denied use of PES, he'd be hanged as a liar (as his now). The man can't win. Let him in The Hall of Fame.

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John Poplin — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:58:16 GMT

Cheating? Taking a supplement that was COMPLETELY LEGAL at the time constitutes cheating. You're all a bunch of history revisionists. Give me a BREAK. McGwire should be in the Hall already. Please.

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A - Chicago — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:58:39 GMT

Yes, we as a culture are selective - and actually we should be more selective, not less. McGwire knew what he was doing - and although it wasn't illegal it certainly gave him an advantage those that came before him didn't have. Wood bats, the height of the mound, the weight of the ball - all these things kept consistant so we can judge between different eras. Now, you've gone messing with the machine - the man himself. No, he doesn't deserve the Hall and neither does Sosa.

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Richard Solis, Winnetka, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:06:14 GMT

You said it all, neither Bonds, Palmeiro, Clemens, nor Sosa should be elected in the Hall. Statistics should not count if accumulated via the use of steroids...........period.

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Rich Linck, St. Louis — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:07:08 GMT

All of the steroid nonsense aside, McGwire does NOT belong in the HOF because he doesn't have HOF numbers. Bear with me. Let's recap; 583 HR but only 252 doubles (doubles are the true mark of a power hitter); a HR every 10.6 AB but 1596 strikeouts (25.8% of his AB meant NOTHING); an OPS of 162 but only 1626 hits. His RBI total is also unimpressive for a power hitter. So what we have is a guy built like a lumberjack who hit moon shot dingers and was entertaining during BP but didn't really generate a lot of runs (R + RBI - HR = 1167 + 1414 - 583 = 1998 runs produced). Virtually no SB, only 6 triples (4 in his sophomore season alone) one Gold Glove (a subjective award that no longer carries the luster it once had) and an almost non-existent performance in the post season (5 HR, 14 RBI, .217 BA in 42 games). Not exactly HOF numbers. One trick pony? You bet! HOF admission: DENIED. And rightfully so.

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Tom V — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:17:46 GMT

If McGwire should go in, and Rice is all ready in, then Dave Parker should have gone in with Rice. Identical numbers with the exception that Parker could field (3-Gold Gloves) and won 3 World Championships. Rice has neither. Oh, but Parker had a little grand jury thing about cocaine ... but let's overlook that too like we'll overlook everything else for the ethics, er, I mean profit of the game.
Rice Parker
Batting Average .298 .290
Hits: 2452 2712
Doubles: 373 526
Triples: 79 75
Homeruns: 382 339
RBI: 1451 1493
Stolen Bases: 58 154
OBP: .352 .339
Slg. %: .502 .471
Total Bases: 4129 4405
Runs: 1249 1272
MVP Awards: 1 1
All Star MVP: 0 1
Gold Gloves: 0 3
Silver Slugger: 2 3
Batting Avg. Leader 0 2
Doubles Leader: 0 2
RBI Leader: 2 1
Extra Base Hit Leader: 1 2
League Championships 2 5
World Championships 0 3

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psc — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:19:11 GMT

One great home run hitter always gets left out of the mix, Ken Griffey Jr. Notable for his fielding expertise, a member of the All Century Team, and home run champion, Griffey will be a first round ballot HOFer. There has never been any suggestion that he used steroids, and he was always a top notch HR hitter. Compared to Griffey, McGwire should never be let into the hall.

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John Doe, cincinnati, Ohio — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:22:38 GMT

by ignoring the fact that he cheated because others also cheated, you are punishing those who chose not to use PEDs. Completely wrong

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Mike, Chicago — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:23:50 GMT

When does something become 'cheating'? Is it cheating if there is no present rule against it? Does having laser-eye surgery grant you an advantage over those who are not qualified to have such a procedure? If you found a $100 on the street would you keep it knowing it wasn't yours in the first place? Isn’t that technically theft? I’m tired of how righteous people are ready to get in the face of reality. The fact is people take advantage wherever they can at every level from the poor guy on the street looking for change at the most profitable corner to the school-teacher using classroom equipment for personal reasons to the investor who just wanted to earn lots of money without really understanding what they were involved with. People cheat…period! Sometimes its illegal; sometimes its just unethical. It’s cheating and we all do it. If we are going to have HOFs of any kind, we should take reality into consideration and keep a frame of reference consistent with it instead of all this never-was golden era non-sense sports fans are particularly guilty of. Grow up! If MM isn’t worth of the HOF, no one really is. Now where can I break this $100 I just found? I’m going to give some of it to the guy on the corner.

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Mike W — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:25:04 GMT

Robinson is in fact a complete chucklehead. McGwire's accomplishments, nearly ALL of them are tainted. His silence in front of Congress was damning. The only worse defense has been that of Roger Clemens.
And for those who want to debate his "greatness", he was not a "great player". Here's what he was: A one-dimensional, chemically enhanced slugger who played a position that required no mobility, no arm and minimal fielding dexterity.
He will NEVER get in.

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Craig — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:25:30 GMT

I think the majority of you are missing the point. There is absolutely NO PROOF that McGwire cheated!!!! It is all speculation. Andro was a legal supplement at the time, and he had no ties to Balco, etc. Are we not going to admit any batter from the last 15 years because of suspicion? Just ignore these great hitters? McGwire belongs plain and simple....

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Rob, Mesa AZ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:26:40 GMT

If Mr. Robinson (the writer of this article) were to write the greatest stories, bilines, articles etc. in the history of man....and later we found out he plagiarized half of his material. Would we vote him into the Sportswrite HOF? Of course not.

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Matt, Washington DC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:27:06 GMT

His major accomplishment was hitting home runs, yet that legacy was tarnished. His batting average was paltry and his career was in stady decline until he bulked up. Seriously, he was a career .263 hitter and if he hand;t bluked up and used the increased HRs to his advantage, he would not have had that. So, yes there is a difference with Bonds. If Bonds had never juiced he still would have been in consideration as he always hit for some average, power, speed, etc. McGuire wouldn't even be in the conversation... he had one thing power and he tarnished it.

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John Robertson, S.F. Calif. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:27:13 GMT

One stinkin' Golden Glove is your argument that he wasn't a one dimensional player ? How about the TWELVE stolen bases. In SIXTEEN YEARS !Batted over .300 only 3 times. Hit under .250 5 times. 100 RBI's only 7 times. One strikeout every 4 at bats. On base pct. Of .394.
etc. etc. To me,steroids or not, the numbers simply aren't there. Can you say One Trick Pony?

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Phil Brunt — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:29:37 GMT

The baseball writers are hypocrites, they all knew about "greenies" and steriods long before the public did. Mark McGwire publicly stated while he was playing that he did use andro to keep going over the long season. He is a gentleman, admired by his managers, coaches, and fellow players, a good dad, turned down a huge contract when he felt he couldn't do the game justice. Sanctimonious pounding by fans and media pundits doesn't cut it - he carried MLB on his back after the strike. As for his lawyers, that was only caused by trust - a bad move in any day.

The man deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame. Regards, Phil

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ralf lasagna — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:31:39 GMT

you sound as dumb as mcguire- cheaters do not belong in the hall!

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Chris,Texas — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:34:18 GMT

No athlete should be rewarded for cheating but unfortunately that is professional sports. There is no integrity in any professional sport but before you convict Mark McGuire, where is the proof. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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Rob, Las Vegas — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:48:01 GMT

the article has incredible merrit and facts about things that people seem to ignore. a perfect example of that is reading the comments left by so called "readers". they didn't read the article, the glanced it over and kept going about their way of thinking he's guilty. until it's proven that McGuire is guilty, then he deserves the HOF. He admits to using Andro, but like the FACTS show, he was using that before it was banned.

As for Nolan's 7 no-hitters. does anyone really believe "in their hearts" that he did it drug free? that's borderline laughable...

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Dave — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:54:24 GMT

How can anyone say he was cheating when what he was taking was not even banned at the time.
Gosh, is little Johnny cheating because his Dad tells him to drink his milk. This will make little Johnny bigger thant the little boys who don't.
Rose and McGuire belong, and those of you who condemn should search your own closets.

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Ryan M — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:57:40 GMT

Did Mark McGwire not get paid during his career? If so then he got a raw deal because he took drugs risking his health and integruity of the game. So if indeed he didnt get paid during his stint as the head act at the freakshow he has something to complain about, but he knew what he was getting into and got paid very well for what he did.

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John, KC, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:58:50 GMT

Before you say McGwire, how about Dale Murphy. 2 time MVP in a horrible Braves team through the 80s where you could walk him anytime and he had no good players ahead or behind him to hit.

Not only that, an outstanding citizen and role model.

Let McGwire sit and watch while players more deserving go in. The price you pay when you avoid talking about the truth.

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Chet, Phoenix, AZ. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:08:01 GMT

For all you retards that assume EVERYONE is guilty of drugs by association, even though not proven.....How about the fact 'Andro' was legal at the time? If it was legal, then prove to me the guilt in that? No proof of Steroids after this. How about the 5 Hour shot stuff they advertise and many athletes find acceptable and are advertising on TV right now? Who is to say in 5 years that is made illegal. Will they who promote it now...be GUILTY by associaton and downgraded to 'morons'...if you believe this, then I suggest you rethink your own lives. McGwire deserves the HOF!

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Bill, Charleston, SC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:09:31 GMT

If you exclude all the cheaters, then who do you put in the HOF? All the numbers are skewed. From pitchers doping who threw more innings and more strikeouts than they should have (effectively LOWERING the statistics of batters they faced) to the batters beefing up their average, homeruns, etc damaging the statistics of pitchers.

All players' statistics in this (known) era of doping are tainted. What do you do? Wipe the last 15 years from the record books?

In the end, its a witch hunt. At least there is some evidence (greater than circumstantial hearsay) for players like Bonds and Palmiero. For many others, all we have is the public perception of "who stuck what needle into themselves."

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Dave Warner — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:13:15 GMT

Who cares what we think! It's about our kids and what sending a cheater to the HOF says to them.

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Raleigh — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:14:45 GMT

The only reason I am back as a baseball fan is because of Mark McGuire. The homerun race between McGuire and Sosa is the only reason I started watching baseball again after the strike.

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Rickey — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:18:06 GMT

Rickey Hendersen?! Why you want to compare Mark McGwire to Rickey? There's only one Rickey. Rickey don't do steroids. Rickey just fast. Rickey don't wanna talk to you no more.

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Ben, Athens, Ga — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:26:46 GMT

Induction in that HOF should be considered an extremely high honor. The players who are considered for induction should exhibit personal standards beyond the rules, such as refraining from using questionable "performance enhancers" even though they are not considered illegal. Sorry Mark, you are one of my all time favorites, but I don't think you should be in the HOF.

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Ed — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:32:35 GMT

McGwire is a cheater. Today, tomorrow and forever.

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Jim, Hudson, Ohio — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:33:22 GMT

McGwire, Bonds and all the rest of the cheaters should rot in baseball puratory

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Ralph Boral, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:34:50 GMT

I got a parking ticket and told the judge I should not have to pay since I know there were other people who were parked more than the two hours allotted. The judge thought that was a stupid argument. If the "everyone else is doing it" argument is laughed at for something as small as a parking ticket, it is amazing that you are able to find it a valid argument for induction into the Hall of Fame.

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John Bibler — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:44:10 GMT

What this article really conveys is how morally bankrupt Ted Robinson is. Cheating is OK because they were all doing it is hig logic. I sure hope he isn't raising any children.

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Paul, Richmond, VA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:46:58 GMT

It should really be this simple. If we reward players who alter their performance levels in any way, currently legal or otherwise, what message does that send to the young players aspiring to make it to "The Show"? What message do they take away when players who have altered their performance win records, make it into the HOF?

I have a nephew who, at the age of 16+, is throwing 80+ MPH heaters. He might make it to the show. His hero is Roger Clemens. I shudder to think of what he might do, what he might be FORCED to do, to even hope of approaching Clemens' records if they are allowed to stand.

This is our game. If we can't demand ethics in this, our national pastime, what does that say about us as a nation? That we are a bunch of cheaters.

No inclusion into the HOF for any cheaters. No records, asterisked or otherwise. We've got a crop of young players that need to know their field will be level.

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Shawn, Burbank CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:47:01 GMT

With this logic, every player who has had Tommy John surgery or lasik should also be denied -- BUT only if it helped make them better. HUH!?!?
Every player in baseball was trying something then and you can bet every player in professional baseball, football, hockey, and basketball are doing everything they can (legal or not) to improve their chances of getting and staying in their respective leagues. As long as we put up with them making this kind of money, they are going to find ways to keep making it.

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reg gallant saint john new brunswick canada — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:49:09 GMT

it's amazing at how quick people are to judge,yet non of the folks commenting could do what any of these players did even if they were on the the "incredible hulk steroids" themselves, should be, shouldn't be, blah, blah, blah! I could barely throw a 70mph fastball when I was a pitcher and I had muscles up the wazoo,today some of these skinny kids are throwing 100 milers regularly are they on steroids? they don't look it, is it in the mechanics? maybe or some folks are just plain gifted, I've seen photos of the players of yesteryear and they all look like depression era starving skeletons,who wouldn't have had the stamina to play the number of games that are played in a season today or face the amount of talent thats out there today either! sure there is cheating going on out there but its only bad if you get caught
I say unless you can suck the steroids out of their blood or find them with a needle in their arm let them have their day its no worse than putting up with Bush!and I guarantee he'll have his picture in the hall of presidents or whatever you use to glorify your leaders with. Playyyy Ballll!!!!

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Jim Akers Louisiana, Mo. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:52:40 GMT

I think people should give the benefit of a doubt to those players because a lot of those drugs were not banned at the time of there use and how many people used other type drugs to help them deal with the pressures of pro sports and got away with it. If you let them play the sport then they should be evaluated for that. Let all of them in if there play and stats say they should be in.

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Seth, Jefferson City, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:53:03 GMT

Reading all these comments exhausted me. Time for my next injection.

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Chris Pgh PA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:55:17 GMT

You cannot compare him to his peers. He was cheating, ie. a decided advantage against his peers! If he only took Andro, and it was legal, why would he not say that? His legal team would have made clear that there was nothing wrong with stating that he did nothing illegal. And to compare to Ryan, who was on some horrible teams to knock his record down to near .500 is laughable.

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Nick, Darien, IL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:56:15 GMT

McGwire DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE IN THE HALL..U know what..He should have just admitted it like Giambi. He just got a new contract and people forgave him. Lying like a 3 year old on tv seeled his fate. He'll have company pretty soon on the bottom of the voting. Clemens, Bonds, Sosa and all the other cheats!!

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Beth M., New York — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:57:33 GMT

I think it is crazy that means at which people rationalize why they think Mark should or should not be in the HOF. I personally am a HUGE McGwire fan from the Oakland A's era - he was my bread and butter, the reason why I fell head over heels in love with the game in the first place. While it is true that he has not been proven guilty ANYWHERE and there have been no confirmed instances of cheating... he is being practically crucified based on allegations and collective opinion. I personally want to thank Mr. McGwire for making me fall in love with the game of baseball by using his powerful swing and know that regardless of what narrowminds some people appear to have, he will always havea special place in my heart. And if in fact he does get voted into the HOF I will be the first person in line hoping his get his autograph.

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Laura, NJ — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:58:16 GMT

MLB knew what was going on as far as steroid use was concerned and they turned a blind eye because fans (and money) returned to the game. After the strike of 1993, attendance suffered. The "home run era" brought fans and excitement back to the game. If MLB was concerned with keeping players from using steroids, then players would have been seriously tested before 2003. Steroids became a banned substance in 1991. Where was MLB before that? If you are going to punish every player that can be/might be linked to steroids, then you might as well punish everyone who played during that time span because we will never know for sure how many players used. Furthermore, baseball has a long history of drug use going back to substances like "greenies." This issue is not black and white. It's complicated with numerous points and circumstances to consider.

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Clint Salt Lake City Utah — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:59:47 GMT

I agree with Raleigh. All of you people that are complaining about the fact that McGuire may have done steroid are not really baseball fans. If you are, you would be greatful for him and Sosa for reviving a sport that was in desperate trouble after the strike. During that time I watched in anticipation of the record falling and I am a bigger baseball fan today because of it. Big Mac should get voted in...

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Paul, St. Louis, Mo. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:00:53 GMT

I was in the stands when he hit #60 at Busch Stadium, with my son on my shoulders. We all had McGwire mania that year, so much so that they even renamed part of Highway 70 for him. Now, we all look so silly. He has run from responsibility and disgraced himself and the sport. Cheaters never win...

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Tony, Spokane, Wa — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:04:34 GMT

every one says there should be no cheaters in the hall, yet there are. does the name Gaylord perry ring a bell. he admitted he threw spitballs which the last time i checked was an illegal pitch. i am not a Mcguire fan, but if you are going to play that card, do it across the board

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Akeman — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:17:37 GMT

Again, when did Mark McGwire cheat?
Did he get suspended by the league?

All athletes strive to enhance their performance.
Supplements supply the additional vitamins that you might not get with your meals.

Mark wanted to speak about MLB's future plan to keep youngsters from taking substances that will harm themselves in their quest to make it to the pros.

Keith Hernandez and others got into trouble with cocaine. Has any of their group gotten into the hall? Surely the extra burst of speed allowed them to gain extra bases and runs.

McGwire was a great ambassador for the game and like Henderson says; he should be in the hall of fame.

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Jay Abramson, Las Vegas, NV — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:25:57 GMT

It was pitiful to watch McGwire sqirm and refuse to tell the truth before Congress. He was my favorite player of that era, and if he just admitted what he had done it would be over for me. However, it was an era which was tainted by drug use allowed by the owners and the commissioner. We all knew what was going on, but we packed the stadiums anyway. I have learned to accept what happened and all of the athletes of that period should be forgiven. I cannot stand Barry Bonds(have loathed him before he was in the pros) but he deserves to be in the Hall, as does big Mac.
We should never forget what happened and never allow it again, but it is time to move on.

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Wayne Brady, Seattle, Wash. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:33:07 GMT

OK people lets keep this in perspective.... The man did nothing illeagal. The hall was created to honor the men that play the game. He played in a time when the home run is king, not your ability in the field or the kind of team mate you were. 'Roids have been around for decades and have numerous players return to the game after injuries. The bottom line is this is AMERICA and you are innocent until PROVEN quilty.
He should be in the HOF he EARNED it.

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Chris, San Francisco, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:38:30 GMT

I think what is really the root to this entire discussion is whether a player should be voted in regardless of doping or not. If no then its pretty straight forward. But if yes then one has to ask the question... who should go first... Barry or Mark? Even though I really dislike Barry he was the better all around player and specifically a better batter. So to say Mcguire should go is saying that Barry should be allowed as well. And fortunately/unfortunately I dont see Barry ever getting the nod.

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Phil Simon. Fargo, ND — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:40:36 GMT

Mark McGwire is a liar, a cheater and a thief. Today, tomorrow, and forever.

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Mike K, Green Bay, WI — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:52:38 GMT

This is a tough call. Since there is no overwhelming evidence that they (Bonds & McGuire) are guilty; it's hard to invent a scenario where one guy gets in and the other doesn't. You can argue numbers and stats, but weren't both among the most dominate power hitters of their eras? If you want to send a message of we believe you cheated, and deserve to be punished, then send it loud and clear and keep all of them out of the Hall! As far as messages sent to kids, McGuire quit using Andro when he found out kids were trying to use it like him. What kind of a message is sent by sending Bonds to the Hall but not McGuire, that if you cheat best, you win?

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nate, washington dc — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:53:45 GMT

rickey henderson stole signs.

bob feller, goose gossage, and whitey ford all threw spitballs.

they all "cheated" in their careers.

mark mcgwire took a legal substance and has never been proven to have cheated...but he's a pariah.

i love the faux moral outrage that people spew.

so i guess the question is: what kind of cheating is okay? and should they have been caught cheating? or do we have to just perceive them as cheaters?

put him in the hall. he was baseball for a good portion of the nineties.

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KEITH GAYLORD, MEMPHIS, TN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:02:02 GMT

I agree McGwire should be in the Hall. Nobody knows who takes steroids and who doesn't, it is who gets caught or who tells on who. I also agree with those who say Pete Rose should be in. What he did on the field was amazing. I grew up watching him and he loved the game. Who gives a crap about gambling. The feat he accomplished by being the top hitter in baseball is amazing and in my opinion any writer or any of these idiots who commented on saying McGwire or Rose or any of the others mentioned do not belong in the hall do not know much about baseball.

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dave reddin — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:04:54 GMT

I can't look at the performance of any athelete today
(whether it's Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady
or Albert Pujols, etc.) and not wonder if it's natural ability or something else. Using the rationale
that Mark McGwire shouldn't be in the MLB HOF because
he might have used steroids(whether proven or not)
means that no one should be eligible for any athletic
HOF because there will always be a question of PES.
PETE ROSE SHOULD BE IN THE BASEBALL HOF!!!!!

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John Edmondson, Chicago, Illinois — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:14:47 GMT

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules and the FACTS are that McGwire has never been convicted in anything other than the court of public opinion. He didn't test positive, no criminal charges were ever presented for distribution, and he's steadfastly maintained his innocence.

The Hall of Fame is designed to honor the best in baseball - not the most popular, not the ones we put our faith in, and not the ones we "perceive" to be honest and wholesome. McGwire was the best, most feared hitter of his time. Period. That fact, and that FACT alone should be enough to get him into the hall despite the incessant whining and speculation.

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Donald — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:22:16 GMT

I still do not like the fact that the same people get to decide who gets into the Hall of Fame, for any sport. I care less what Bob Costas thinks or any reporter who thinks because an athlete does not want to talk to him then he's not worthy of the HOF (Fat SI reporter, can't think of his name).

Screw McGuire, he didn't want to answer questions because he didn't want to perjure himself.

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Jim Pryor, Elizabeth, CO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:25:42 GMT

The Big Mac issue is now closed. He won't, and shouldn't, be a hall of famer.

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Derek Borgen, Hypoluxo, FL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:26:52 GMT

Put them all in. We all cheered like idiots when he hit 70. We knew then it wasn't "right." It was great theater, and it's been even better theater tearing them down in the years since. Once we see lifetime bans from MLB or criminal charges, then we can talk of keeping him and the others out. Even if McGwire juiced, he's still not the creepiest person in Cooperstown. If you don't like it, skip his bust in the hall.

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TL Poe — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:37:21 GMT

She's dead, but Granny was right when she said: "Cheaters never prosper."
Suck it up, buttercups! McGuire cheated, knew he was cheating, still cheated and then lied.
Zow. HOF-er my eye!

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Chris, Albany, NY — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:39:40 GMT

NO, he's not. I grew up watching the mans career. The only memorable thing about him is the home run chase with Sosa in whatever year it was. But looking back @ that season and IM sure many others of his was a complete sham. He sullied the game, our american past-time! He is not worthy of a bust in Cooperstown.

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Ibis, Issaquah — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:41:56 GMT

McGwire, Bonds, and Sosa are the three greatest home run hitters of their generation? And they all doped?

Ken Griffey Jr. has over 600 HRs and has never been accused of doping. Plus before the injuries started Griffey was a consistent Gold Glover, in fact it was the relentless fielding that caused the injuries.

Junior gets my vote.

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JAL, Baltimore, MD — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:49:27 GMT

Ted,

I don't think of McGwire as one dimensional. He was the single most feared homerun hitter of his generation. (Sorry Barry)He does belong in the Hall fo Fame at some point, but this is his punishment. He will probably make it when he is very old or when all of us are no longer on this earth.

Also don't throw the Gold Glove arguement out. My god you Broadcast Twins games and you can tell me McGwire deserved a Gold Glove over Kent Hrbek? Come on Ted.

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Beverly J. Hess, Willoughby, Ohio — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:50:01 GMT

All this is very interesting. I would like to see this writer delve into why real deserving ballplayers who never played during the "performance enhancing drug" era have been consistently shut out of the HOF. Rocky Colavito of the Cleveland Indians was one of the greatest hitters of his time and a true gentleman in all areas of his life. Never a hint of anything illegal or "performance enchancing" in his career. I would challenge this writer to check out his statistics and then try to figure out why he isn't in the HOF, or the Hall of Shame as I refer to it.

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Vance Lee — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:53:38 GMT

I think you could find someone a little more deserving to support. Mr. I.m not here to talk about the past sealed his fate with most voters. Have you heard that phrase you cant unring a bell?

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Jordan Phillips, St. Louis, Missouri — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:55:01 GMT

We must not forget that the American culture did not adopt such harsh views on steroids until the end of Mark's career. Let alone, it was perfectly legal for him to choose Andro. So why wouldn't he testify in front of a grand jury to not dwell on the past? The view from Mark's shoes is very different. I do not condone taking steroids in any way, and I don't believe Mark disagrees. He never advertised it to children or young adults, and never spoke of it in public. So you now want to blame your child's choices on him? America is so quick to hop on this bandwagon.

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Dan, Washington DC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:56:34 GMT

You can't compare McGwire to Bonds. Mac was a one trick pony who didn't do anything other than hit home runs. Bonds could run, hit for average, and play the field well enough that he probably would have made the Hall anyway.

If someone asks Mac to name his Hall credentials and thereby delve into the past, will he plead the 5th?

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dcow atlanta, GA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:58:11 GMT

i hope nbc is paying you well.....cause you sure wouldn't last in the "real" world with a report like that. mark (i invoke the 5th amendment) mcguire has left nothing but a bad taste in a true baseball fan's mouth. are you kidding me with all this dribble? how can anyone, with a straight face, defend this guy in the eyes of the baseball collective? my view of this guy was that he's innocent until proven guilty. he had a huge opportunity to come forward and come clean about his involvement with enhancements, but he chose to hide and slither away. kudos to his accomplishments, but they go the way of barry bonds, raphael palmeiro, roger clemens, andy petite (at least he admitted) and all those other superstars who made their way with enhancements.

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Mark Tyler, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:59:07 GMT

McGwire is getting just what he deserves as he had a chance to clear his name but he chose to keep quiet, or do anything to clear his name. He knew he was wrong and he knows he will never be in the Hall of Fame. Good-bye, good riddance Mark McGwire . . . Thanks for nothing!

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Gary, Memphis TN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:03:42 GMT

The refreshing thing about McGwire is that at least he didnt lie in his Congressional testimony. He distinguished himself from Sosa and Palmeiro that day, both of whom lied and should be held accountable. Using the juice is one thing - lying about it Congress. To appreciate the distinction, I think McGwire should be admitted to the HOF while Sosa and Palmiero should not.

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Chuck - Illinois — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:03:58 GMT

Maybe Mark McGwire "sealed his fate" by his laughable "testimony" before Congress, but IF in fact he realizes it and wishes he could do something to redeem himself, let him do something about it:

Mark, speak before any future hearing under oath - even in a traffic court - and tell us what you want to tell us and what you wish you would have said then. Tell all there is to tell. Talk to anyone who is willing to listen, and let no question be off limits. Do it often, do it with a smile and do it with whatever integrity you can muster. Don't talk about what others did, just talk about you. At least publicly acknowledge what is common knowledge about your use of "andro" and acknowledge that you at least understand the problem that people have. Do *something* for yourself.

Don't just sit there and pout, letting guys like Ted make a case for you.

Until you do this, you will never see your image improved. And you may still never get into the Hall. But maybe you may at least find some peace (assuming you seek that), and so will those who cheered you then and cried later, and those who initially stood by you and wished that you had handled it better.

...but it's a big IF.

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David McCutcheon, Albuquerque, NM — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:06:06 GMT

Good Article. I would like to first and foremost state that I believe that McGwire should be in the HOF. Here are my reasons:

1. I think he and Sosa brought fans back to the game when after the strike we were fed up with baseball. To a point they saved the game.

2. Do I believe that he used items he shouldn't have? YES, but as the article states "andro – the steroid precursor was -- at the time, legal without prescription." I believe that he used andro, but it was legal at the time. That's like the state changing the speed limit from 70 to 55 today, and still stopping everyone and giving them a ticket for going 70 yesterday. You can't do that. What drugs were used by other greats and now are considered banned, but they are already in. You cannot punish a person after the fact. Should he have used them? NO, but they were legal at the time and everyone was using them.

3. His figures at the beginning of his career (pre-PES) were outstanding and so what effect did they have on him. Instead of his homers going 450 feet they went 460? They still would have been a homerun. Andro basically allowed him to recover from playing and injuries at a faster rate, so did it allow him to play some games he would have missed, probably.

4. Nothing has been proven, but that he is not the smartest guy and should not have testified before congresss. Even if he is guilty, Andro was legal at the time of usage.

In the end, his numbers are good enough, nothing has been proven, and it was a legal drug at the time. If in the future they ban cafeine, do we go back and punish all those that drank a coke, a glass of tea, or a cup of coffee? NO. It was legal then and he used what was legal. Just him on what we know and that is his career, figures and impact on the game, and he gets in.

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Eric Colorado Springs — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:07:25 GMT

If Pete Rose isn't in then neither should Mark Mcgwire

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Randy Fannon, Abingdon VA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:12:31 GMT

I feel that an athlete may take performance enhancing drugs for their benefit, but also for the fans benefit. How many people stood and cheered every home run? How many fans came back to baseball because of Sosa and McGwire? If we as patrons of any sport purchase a ticket to see a show or game, then it is up to the athlete or performer to put that show on. Yes, I agree it is wrong, but I do not agree on keeping him out of the HOF. We, all fans of the sports that purchased the tickets to see the show condoned the actions to see the best show possible.

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Bob Curley, North Kingstown, RI — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:13:28 GMT

These guys may get in via the veteran's committee someday, but it will be at least another decade before the stink of the steroids era subsides enough for anyone to consider a Hall of Fame vote for Sosa and McGuire -- and maybe Clemens too, even though he otherwise would go in on the first ballot

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Kathy, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:13:49 GMT

What about the illegal drug use days of the 1980'2? Keith Hernandez, Darryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, to name a few, who were tested and found to have used cocaine and other illegal drugs? Are we going to keep them out of the hall of fame? At the time of McGwire's supposed steroid use, it was NOT illegal in baseball. Let's stick to the SAME rules for all players from all decades. Understandably, illegal drugs are not safe for anyone's consumption.

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Greg, Philadelphia, PA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:15:36 GMT

you should not be allowed to write for any publication again

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Tom, Southgate,Michigan — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:16:28 GMT

Since you feel McGwire should be in th Hall of Fame based on his record - how about Denny McLain - record keeper of the most victories in one season - plus a Cy Young Award winner

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Dan — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:16:43 GMT

Mark McGwire was an average ballplayer at best - hence he needed drugs in order to improve his play. Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame long before McGwire ever gets a sniff of the place!

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Steve, Madera, Ca. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:17:34 GMT

C'mon you all, this guy is pulling our collective legs, making a joke....isn't he? He's got to be nobody in their right mind would say this garbage.
Everyone go about your business, go treat yourself NOTHING to see here from this guy.
Does he get paid for this?

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L Brown, SC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:18:02 GMT

My take is that he cheated and lied under oath. It surpises you? All his accomplishments no longer matter when he did those things.

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Induct McGwire, Dallas, TX — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:18:25 GMT

Regarding "Ted, I enjoy your writing, but I disagree with you on this one. None of the cheaters should be in the Hall."

If this applies retroactively, there won't be anyone in the HOF. (corked bats, spitballs, etc.)

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Allura Lewis — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:19:01 GMT

Granted, Andro was legal at the time Mark was using the enhancer, but he has done other things to turn the public opinion tide against him. Here in St. Louis we named a stretch of highway after him and would have gladly stood by him, but he literally sneaked out of town without one word for his fans here and moved back to his beloved CA. He never really embraced St. Louis. He's only been back here a couple of times (he married a St. Louis native)and his demeanor is still one of he could care less about St. Louis. Coming from the Show Me State, Mark showed us his true colors, so why should we embrace him?

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John Carino — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:20:49 GMT

Sorry but if gets in then so will Pete Rose - thus, not today, not tomorrow, not ever!

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Michael H, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:22:28 GMT

A raw deal? For him?

Here's a raw deal. How about me watching 20 or 30 games on the edge of my seat as he and Sammy challenged one of the most revered records in all of sports. How about me tearing up as I watched him greet the Maris family and accept the accolades of millions. Then to learn, as he knew for every minute, that he was juiced up like a tomato.

Now THAT is a raw deal. I don't give a jack whether the substance he used was technically listed against the rules or not. When you are using it and you KNOW it is the likely reason for your success, and you say nothing, you are lying. He was a liar then, he was a liar when he went to Congress (and could have done the right thing), and he is a liar now.

How he could even look the Maris kids in the eye is beyond me.

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Tuxedo Charlie, Hayes, Virginia — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:25:25 GMT

McGwire the "steroid junkie" does not belong in the HOF, neither does Bonds or Sosa. They aren't worthy of cleaning Maris' cleats.

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Bob, Baltimore, MD — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:26:21 GMT

The man who saved baseball after the big strike was not Mark McGuire, it was Cal Ripken, Jr. He's the only reason I continued to follow the sport. Now, if you can honestly compare the character and integrity of McGuire to the character and integrity of Ripken, then you can put him in the HOF. I just don't see it.

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Steve, Madera, Ca. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:27:11 GMT

All of you who are saying McQuire is innocent until proven guilty. He is not on trial but since you choose to use this language, have you ever heard of people that have been convicted on circumstantial evidence?!
McQuire, as well as Bonds and Soza, went from looking like normal men to looking like bulls on steroids. Besides, their responses and evasion and witnesses have done more to hurt them than any conjecture on the part of the public/fans.
Go find another lost cause to support.

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kevin — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:29:25 GMT

All you need to do is look at the rookie pics of him and Bonds....heck, just pick up a baseball card. Then look at them when they retired. Bigger heads/skulls, shoe size, jersy size. Cheating is cheating...he cheated and then shut his mouth about it. If he had defended himself somewhat that would be different. These men grew substantially over their careers that surely wouldn't have lasted as long, or been as prosperous. NO HALL...NO WAY!!!

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John Kanelis — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:33:12 GMT

The only stat worthy of H of F consideration is the home run total. The rest of McGwire's career stat line is ordinary. With the taint of alleged steroid use, even the HR totals are suspect. He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall.

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Houston Guy — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:35:47 GMT

All of McGwire records are tainted by suspected illegal drug use - accusations which McGwire hasn't sufficiently addressed. Why should we reward cheaters. It taints the entire sport. People need to stand up for the sport, not the cheaters.

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Sean, Boston MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:35:57 GMT

"...if a voter rejects McGwire for ethical reasons, the same standard must be used for Bonds, Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro (failed drug test), Pudge Rodriguez, and even Roger Clemens."

That works for me. The only one missing is Giambi.

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Craig, Uintah Utah — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:38:04 GMT

Either no one from the roid era goes in or he definitely deserves to be in the HOF. He was one of the most feared hitters of his era. The people that don't think so need to wake up and realize that he is just the tip of the iceberg and if pitchers were doing it as well then the playing field was even.

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Jay Buhner — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:41:00 GMT

Now write the article about how Brett Boone should get in too. MeGuire was an average player. He was no Dave Parker.

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Paul Fraser, Mexico, DF — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:42:24 GMT

I remember a line from the Tom Cruise movie "Question of Honor" when he said "You don't need a badge to prove you have honor". As as extension of that you don't need the hall of fame to be considered a great baseball player and considered to have had a successful career. There are many people in the hall whose names I wouldn't even recognize, so what's the big deal.

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Terry, Tulsa, OK — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:43:03 GMT

Ted, you are absolutely and unequivocally correct in your assessment. Maybe common sense will see a return to HOF voting before Mark's time runs out.

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Daniel, Sacramento CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:43:56 GMT

You stated correctly that he admitted to taking andro, a "legal" otc substance. All the other crap these "athletes"take is banned, and illegal. Big Mac deserves to be in, I don't care what his testimony before congress was, (any of you Clinton fans - is is), he knocked the ball, he had a golden glove, and never proven that he took illegal substances. Case closed. OJ, you in the house?

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Jason, Bothell, Wash — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:46:07 GMT

Keep McGwire out, Palmeiro, Sosa, Clemens, Pudge, etc. What we need are the Blylevens and Dawsons in the HOF. Throw in a Lee Smith for good measure. Next year, please put in a Larkin and an Edgar Martinez.

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RLSRD, Boston, MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:46:28 GMT

Can you imagine. All those roids were only good for about 9 more Homers than Maris. Plus Sosa was using a corked bat and the ball is livelier. Maris is a GOD with 61. He should be in not those Jokers

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Howard, Cincinnati, OH — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:47:36 GMT

I don't normally post, but this is a very interesting topic for all of those who have posted before me and will be for many years to come as the steroid era starts to put forth its candidates for the Hall of fame. Here is what the Hall states as the voting parameters:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

That's it. I have watched many talk shows and ESPN specifically mention its about statistics this and statistics that. Yea he won rookie of the year in 1987 and a gold glove in 1990. The thing for me is he stood with Sammy as the image of what brought baseball fans back to the stadium after the strike. So in someways they both were baseball's icons for the few years they were bashing home runs. By the voting standards can anyone say he represents integrity? I think for the most part. He was doing andro when it was legal. All intents and purposes I haven't read he kept doing it after it was made legal. Can you assume he may have done more? Sure I think any reasonable human being can look at pictures and say he was pumped up on something. That said is an assumption. I know I would have thought Ricky Henderson was on something. Problem is we could probably go back and look at a lot of players in the hall and assume they were juicing. I think if Baseball using all its testing or the law finds they did something they should be refused. Outside of that I am not in aggreement with the writers arguments. Especially when a murderer is in the Hall and last time I checked Ty Cobb was one of the best to play the game. Stats alone though I am not sure Mark gets in. Jim rice is a perfect exampple. He had more at bats for sure, runs scored, almost 1,000 more hits, 100+ doubles, 73 more triples, more runs batted in, stolen bases 40+, less strike outs... and thats to name most of it. Now Mcguire batted .263. Now slugging was better than rice, walks for sure, and home runs quite a bit. I agree Mcguire was one dimensional and the stats don't lie. I use Jim Rice as example because Jim Rice may not have had the power, but he was a beast during his era and for reason. So if it took Jim this long... no doubt would I think Mark makes it anyway. The only reason you could have argued it was because what he meant to the game during his era. You do that and leave out the steroid argument I think he was what you would want to embody for a hall of famer. Outside of that.. not so much.

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Chester Dietrick — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:48:35 GMT

Hang em High......

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Helena, Redlands, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:49:50 GMT

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone....Nary a person would be able to step up with a stone in their hand (and if you did, you'd be a LIAR!)

It's funny, people want to persecute him for stuff he did BEFORE it was illegal (and I'm sure he had medicinal reasons) and for invoking his 5th Amendment Rights before Congress. I would invoke my rights if I was being questioned by law enforcement, they have a way of asking that yes or no question kids asked on the playground, "have you stopped hating your mother?". How do you answer that?

Oh well....he looks great as a middle aged guy :o)

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Arne, San Francisco, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:51:03 GMT

The writer of this article is both delusional and a chucklehead.

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Allan Baber, Albuquerque NM — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:51:31 GMT

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Boo Boo Taylor — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:52:01 GMT

I'd vote him in, as far as i'm concerned probably 99% of all pro athletes at one time or another have dabbled in PES. Silly to pretend we know who did and who did not take. let em all in. legalize steroids. one day us roid users will RULE THE WORLD!
You just lemme get some laws changed so we can elect arnold president and bodybuilders and powerlifters shall rule the planet!

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George, Rochester, MN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:58:16 GMT

The whole argument is invaild. I dont think McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa should be in the hall of fame period. Bonds was one of the best Outfielders when he came into the league but he was greedy.

The reason your argument fails is because the Hall of Fame is not only a representation of a players ability, but their character. If it was based on talent, relative to their peers, Pete Rose would be in the hall.

Bonds and McGwire should just come out and be honest about it and show the kids who look up to baseball stars that it isnt okay. (innocent until proven guilty really shouldnt be used here. Common knowledge that Mark juiced during the career and bonds.... look at the physical evidence).

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Sheldon Matthews, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:58:24 GMT

Mark McGwire does not belong in the Hall of Fame. He clearly sealed his fate appearing before the Senate. St. Louis went so far as to dedicate a section of I-70 in his honor. I guess McGwire's consolation to the Hall of Fame will be the Highway of Shame.

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clf — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:58:44 GMT

Sports are meant to be played natural, Phelps just proved in this past Olympics you can be the best and not take anything to enhance your performance and as a person who pays for tickets to the events, I go to see them at their natural best, otherwise I feel cheated.

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unsituated — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:59:56 GMT

one glaring omission - Big Mac appeared before the Supreme Court, and refused to answer questions regarding his own participation in PES. Yes, this caused a glaring loss of respect, deservedly so, thereby affecting his ability to get voted in. Bonds has repeatedly denied under oath that he knowingly used PES. Same story. Palmetto bug went on the record denying PES use, then failed a drug test, wash-rinse-repeat. Canseco is just a big roided-up crybaby who is doing everything he can to make himself look better by pointing fingers. Sosa is a joke who roided a few years, lied about it, got off the juice, shrunk up, and is a nobody again. If opinions are biased by either their lies, non-admissions of guilt, failed piss tests, so-be-it. If these morons believe their records and stats are legit, they did a piss-poor job protecting their reps in the process of achieving them. No sympathy here for these assholes. They're all obvious roiders, and they can't prove otherwise. They also can't prove that they would have achieved the stats without the juice. Comparing them to current Hall'ers is irrelevant. Never heard the likes of Mickey Mantle, Joltin Joe, Hammerin Hank, Ted Williams, or the Babe lying, covering up, or failing tests for roids. grow up and accept the fact that your childhood hero turned out to be a loser who couldn't handle being normal.

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Joan — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:01:31 GMT

If those of you who say why not to McGwire, cause we all make mistakes.....shame on you! If McGwire can make it in using performance enhancing illegal drugs, then Pete Rose, who did nothing to enhance his performance and had a great baseball career should make it in. I don't think that any player who used performance enhancing anything should be in the HOF. Don't tell me McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, all those players whose bodies changed so drastically did it with weight training alone! HA!

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Jon Davis — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:03:21 GMT

McGwire belongs in the Hall of Shame and no where else. Period.

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Dennis Kraffert US Air Base at a remote location — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:03:45 GMT

To me this is all irrelevant. McGuire never used a "Banned" substance becasue it wasn't banned until he retired.

During the 30's it was a well known fact that Coca Cola had cocaine in it. Babe Ruth had horrible knees and would drink a six pack before everygame. Amazingly when they took the Cocaine out of the Coke he quit.

"Greenies" have been in baseball for 50 years before they got banned. Do you think no player ever used the "pick me uppers" after a night game and then a double header. Remember they were there 50yrs. How many extra at bats, extra pitches did it help the MLB.

When the MLB needed the home run they looked the other way to get the fans back. WE ALL DID. I don't blame him for not wanting to talk about the past he is probably ashamed but that doesn't mean he didn't do the hardest thing in all of sports. HIT A 90 MPH ball. Steriods or Andro doesn't help your hand Eye coordination. And that my friends is still there for him.

I know you might not agree with me but I ask you all one thing. If you worked the first 20 years of your life to get to your dream and a doctor said you are finished unless you take this pill then you can play more and for more money. What would you do, you call it cheating I call it PERFORMANCE ENHANCING. And it is funny how the Mitchell report only looked at NY, Boston, and San Fran(and the known players) The MLB doesn't want anyone to know the truth, why do you think they waited till last year to ban the "greenies"

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Drew, Dallas, TX — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:07:00 GMT

Having worked in the fitness industry for years, with amateur and professional bodybuilders, there is no doubt McGwire used gear. In my youth, I dabbled with many over-the-counter supplements, such as andro, and can attest that the results achieved in Mac's size are not attainable on andro and diet alone. The only thing lacking is a positive blood test and that's only because the player's union and commissioners office insured that the game was protected from it. McGwire, Bonds, Clemens are all on the hook. If they had not been implicated, I would say they should have a shot at the Hall. Definitely not now.

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Zach, Greensboro, NC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:08:18 GMT

The Mitchell report apparently is the Bible of PED's in baseball, I feel fairly confident in assuming so. And the point you made about the 10 occurances in the report seem minimal. Mitchell may have well benefitted from an editor possibly someone to go through and remove what was already well known by anyone who knows anything about baseball and its players. Between a book by a junkie and a report by a geeked out old senator, we as a society have turned our back on our stringent and just rules that we govern ourselves by. McGwire deserves to be in the hall of fame, he is guilty of butchering his time in front of the grand jury and that is it. Im sure when he came out of USC and went to play for the A's he was thinking about the years to come when he would be sitting in front of a bunch of stiffs giving a statement why he was in some buffoon's book. A daunting task for anyone I'm sure. He sat in front of his locker identified that substance and subsequently quit using because he wanted to. Not because it was illegal. Homeruns, slugging, walks, OBP, gold gloves championships. That is why he deserves to be in the Hall. Those stones are much sturdier then the words of Jose Canseco or Senator Mitchell.

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Luis, Houston — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:08:36 GMT

He juiced. No hall for him.

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Mark S., Nashville, TN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:11:06 GMT

Pulitzer prize-winning author Bernard Malamud once wrote that he thought we lived two lives - the first life we learned from, the second one was the one we lived after that. He also wrote that some mistakes you never stop paying for.

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Dave Zieber, Bradenton, Fl. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:12:12 GMT

McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, and anyone else KNOWN to have "chemically enhanced" their performances, should not be in the HOF. Hank Aaron should still be recognized as the all-time HR king. His record was built strictly on natural talent. Let Barry (everyone has to like me) Bonds and the others who enhanced see that cheaters DO NOT WIN.

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Andy Merriman, Springfield, IL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:18:29 GMT

This article does one thing that you NEVER see in similar comments and articles: it looks at actual details and facts of the matter. There is absolutely no evidence that McGwire did illegal PED. Unless you count the ever-trustworthy and altruistic Jose Canseco. Andro was not a banned substance. Andro was accepted like creatin and whey protein - trust me, I have been in that circle.

I bet, if a poll was taken around the US, I bet a large % of people would state that their opinion is that McGwire did full blown steroids. Unfortunately, misinformation and his testimony were and are the killer for now.

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Rob W, Marion, Ohio — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:19:11 GMT

Um....so cheaters can't get in to the hall? Gaylord Perry is in and he is an admitted cheater, throwing the spitball. Babe Ruth was believed to have been drunk during several games (as were other players) and drunk people can be looser and thus able to swing better. Ty Cobb and many others were around when cocaine was legal and actual available in coca-cola. (Cobb later became a major stock holder). As an amphetamine that was later banned, should Cobb not be a Hall of Famer? None of these players were PROVEN to have cheated, despite overwhelming evidence they probably did, at least according to later laws established, but its okay to most of the posters here to apply laws ex post facto. So let's get anyone out of the hall who played before 1903 because they could have drunk coke; anyone who was a known drinker (including Mickie Mantle and Ruth); and anyone else we suspect but never prove.

So much for innocent until PROVEN guilty, huh, folks?

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Debra Formerly STL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:25:19 GMT

I too was caught up in the Cards and "Big Mac" mania. If Mc Gwire used steriuds, then he should have had the baseballs to admitted it and not kept walking around it to a Congressional committee. It was a slap in the face to fans, the power of congress and most of all- to our children who admired Mark Mc Gwire. I would much rather see Pete Rose in the Hall of fame.

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ANN DELELLA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:25:53 GMT

I want to know why, why there is a senate committee on this. If these guys want to kill themselves, go do it. But my tax $'s should not pay for this total waste of time. If baseball (and that includes the fans) wanted to know what was going on, they would have been testing regularly. It is easier now to just accuse, which ruins careers, then face the fact that they need to be policed by MY TAX $'S. Not my favorite national sport...anymore..GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF THIS, DO THE TESTING AND THE GOVERNING YOURSELFS

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Robert Bennett, Lanai City, HI — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:26:43 GMT

Some of you must be pretty ignorant. If you didn't think Mcguire wasn't on supplements when he was belting out homer after homer, you have no brains. Use a little of your brain, you didn't care if he was on something back then...you were being entertained and you loved him for it. Now that he's not doing it anymore, you can hate him now. What a bandwagon most of you are

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Tom S, Somerset MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:29:20 GMT

It seems to me that Ted Robinson's column was written soley to generate controversy, discussions and money for MSNBC thru thousands of hits on the story!!! It has no credibility. There's no doubt that McGuire used performance enhancing drugs. . He admitted he used andro yet avoided discussing the issue under oath before Congress. That means all of his "great numbers" are suspect and chemically aided. I for one dont want anyone of that ilk in the baseball Hall of Fame! He tainted himself and now needs to accept the consequences!!The same goes for Bonds. If a later generation wishes to overlook the cheating, that is their choice. They shoud never be elected while they are alive!!!

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Jon — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:29:41 GMT

Here's my response to your opinion that McGuire should be in the Hall:

You are a fricken idiot.

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Ron, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:30:20 GMT

I don't see how PGH or Andro helps you to hit a 90+ mph fastball or a slider 450ft. That, my friends, is tallent. When you're old like Bonds, it helps you play the next day because you're too sore and it helps extend your career when you're going for the all time HR record. I'd be willing to bet none of you who thinks Sosa and McGwire cheated could hit a baseball 300 feet if I put it on a stand in front of home plate, muchless do it while John Smoltz throws a 83mph slider at your knees. While we're at it, why don't we blame the tightly wound baseballs too? The truth is, we all tuned into the sport that year because of the amazing (and classy I might add) personal race to be the best at hitting home runs. At the time, America admired how well Sammy and Mark competed and congratulated each other during their race for supremecy. Where's the love now? What do you think that $6.00 hot dog is buying you at the ball park? It's buying you the guys that hit 450 foot home runs. Just do it baby, but don't get caught.

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Brian S. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:32:24 GMT

I love all the piety and "morality" being thrown around here. Give me a break. Not only does that apply to clowns on this board, but sportswriters in general. Journalists who spend their careers in the toy department and decide (which is what is happening here) that someone might have run a foul in the isnt worthy of anything any longer kill me.

By all modern statistical sets he's a no brainer.

The "Greatest Leadoff Hitter" of all time, Rickey Henderson, has a career OBP% of .401 --- The "One Dimensional" McGwires is .394

He's 9th on the all time SLG% list. The only one ahead of him who's not in the hall is Bonds. Manny Rameriez is as well, but he'll be a first ballot HOFer.

He's 11th on OPS list --- the best statistical model we have for hitters. Ahead of Mantle, DiMaggio, Musial. Bonds, Helton, Man Ram are the only ones ahead of him not in the hall.. and all 3 of them will be at somepoint.

His HR's per AB are #1 all-time and probably will remain that way.

Im with those who say he "doesnt want to talk about the past" did him in. I find it striking however that any voters who have publicly stated WHY they have not voted for him, NONE of it comes down to his ballplaying skills. If they arent voting on that, what they hell do they get a vote for !?!?!?!

Insane.

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Alan l — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:32:48 GMT

Look at before and after pictures of McGwire, Conseco and Sosa...tell me needles weren't injected...when you stand in front of congress and PLEA THE FIFTH....Because you don't want to incriminate yourself....just crawl under a rock and go away...don't even think about the Hall of Fame.

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Chris, California — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:35:03 GMT

If BB does not make the hall of fame then no player in the history of baseball belongs there. Not Mays, not Ruth, not Cobb, not Ted Williams nobody. BB was clearly one of the 4-5 best players of all time and stood head and shoulders over his peers for most of his career...many of whom have been proven to have used steroids something Bonds has not been. I will agree that Big Mac and for that matter the hawk belong in the hall as well along with the Rocket when his time comes.

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Andy Bill, Nazareth PA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:35:51 GMT

Those who condemn McGwire are selective memory hypocrites. Baseball was dead following the '94 strike. Then came the McGwire / Sosa hume run duel. Owners (including Bud Selig) made money off it, Reporters wrote volumes about it, and fans came back in droves because of it. Anyone with a brain knew McGwire and Sosa were up to something, but who cared then and oh by the way "Andro" was legal anyways. Since when do Ammericans convict someone with no physical evidenc on a law that wasn't if effect at the time of a crime. So to all you "holier than thow" critics I say you should be ashamed of yourself.

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Ken Clark — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:36:57 GMT

If you want to talk about shocking, then Pete Rose is the one you should be talking about. The rejection of Rose for the Hall is pure hypocrisy on the part of the sports establishment!

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Mike K, Albuquerque, NM — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:37:01 GMT

Everybody is calling McGwire a cheater, yet not one of them has an ounce of proof he actually did. McGwire's appearance before congress led me to believe he cheated, but his round about way of pleading the fifth is no smoking gun. When actual proof comes out on McGwire then and only then will I believe he doesn't deserve to be in cooperstown. Until McGwire is PROVEN guilty, I must presume he is innocent.

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Steve, St. Louis, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:38:07 GMT

Mcgwire never tested positive for steroids. So he should be let in, end of story. Even IF he was juicing the whole entire time he still had to hit a ball as big as your fist traveling at 90 MPH with a stick and make it go 450 ft. Oh and BTW he did it 70 times in one season. Why should we bar him because he exercised his 5th amendment right as an American? Has anyone ever considered that Mark didnt 'talk about the past' because he didnt want to incriminate other people? Where in the voting criteria does it say that you can't get in if you refuse tell on all of your buddies? It does say that you are supposed to compare players with thier PEERS. Mark hit more homeruns than any of his peers (yes I'm leaving off Bonds because he is a jerk) so he should get in.

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Ron Turner , Danville,Illinois — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:38:19 GMT

McQuire was NEVER convicted of taking any steriods and admitted to taking the one drug which at the time was approved by baseball. If it were not for he and Sosa belting home runs and giving people a reason to come back to baseball MLB might now be in the toilet as a sport no one would want ot watch. A lot of the anti-McQuire is coming from SELIG. Selig is getting credit for reviving baseball that he does not deserve. AS was stated in earlier responses MLB and its commissh are to blame for this era. Mac belongs in HOF because pitchers were afraid of him from rookie season forward to his final year. PS. as a player no one should be disqualified for being the best and Pete Rose was the best role model as a player that a kid could have. Granted betting on games is bad but he was a manager then not a player. Why is it the best are not in the HOF? Most of the people voting now did not cover some of these players and should not be allowed to cast a vote period!

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Brad, Somerset, MA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:41:53 GMT

Hall of Fame = Hall of Shame is McGwire actually gets in. Maybe I'll change my mind if he actually admits to using steroids and uses his name to educate kids on the downfalls of using. But until this gutless man admits to it. DO NOT VOTE HIM IN!!!!!

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Ken Berlin, CT — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:43:01 GMT

I am a yankee fan. Always have been always will. I have the unique talent for not hating players that are on other teams just because they are there. I feel that if something is allowed than you can't be judged on it. Do you really think that these few guys wrere the only ones using PES. Are you that narrow minded. These were the ones that got caught, presumed guilty, never proven, and crucified. We are a country of scapegoats. Blame must be placed somewhere. We cannot live with the fact that our heros are not pure and innocent. When that happens we feel cheated and lied to. We must tear them down to keep our illusions in perspective, that our hros are still the sinless virginds we have made them to be in our minds. If McGuire was using PES and a hundred other batters, and the juiced up pitchers were giving up the homeruns. Then doesn't it make sense that all if fair. The non PES users don't get a bonus for being clean do they? If it was illegal and was proven, not just heresay, then I would agree, reject him and all he has done. But how many others that are in the hall of fame already had used roids. If you say none then you are in fact an idiot. Just because they are not caught, doesn't make them less guilty. Get on with it, The man broke the home run record first. Not an easy thing to do, but he did it. Until proven otherwise stick the guesswork where it belongs, in politics.!

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Kay Smith, Hughes, AR — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:43:04 GMT

They do have tests for PES. But the MLBPA has a problem with needles. The kind that draw their blood, not the kind that stick their behind. I llok a the old guys that are in the HOF. The one that could play the game (possibly with a hangover) and still hit the ball and steal bases like crazy. And batters were afraid of the pitchers then. Plus, you did not have to mortgage your house to go to the nosebleed section of the stadium. MLB needs to get their house in order. And keeping the cheaters OUT is a step in the right direction!

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Kay Smith, Hughes, AR — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:43:05 GMT

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MAK, KC, MO — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:44:36 GMT

I have to admit, it's fun reading all this pompous indignation. I think a lot of this is due to the "hero" label that a lot of people try to put on players of any team sport - the problem is that the label fits like a really bad suit. I don't really care either way if McGwire gets in or not - it doesn't change my enjoyment of the few games I caught at the old stadium.

Oh, and if HGH ever became an over the counter substance (and, judging by our FDA, it wouldn't shock me), you can bet your lunch it'd sell like Pepsi. A very expensive Pepsi.

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Sandy, Metropolis, Il — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:44:45 GMT

I am a die hard cardinal fan. I believe McGuire should be allowed in the HOF. Just because he didn't answer all the questions doesn't mean he is dirty. Maybe he was thinking of other players reputations and didn't want to drag them through the dirt. Sometimes silence is golden. Let him in and also Pete Rose. Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!

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Scott, Sacramento, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:52:15 GMT

Every last one of the folks who posted their rants about how McGuire 'cheated' would be the first in line to argue law if the same circumstances were applied to themselves. You simply cannot judge a man by a set of standards that did not apply when the alleged violations took place. We can discuss ethics and morality from here to eternity, but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with these ball players being cheaters. Cocaine was legal in the US until 1914, so I suppose we should eliminate all baseball players from that era as well... Those darned cheaters! Maximizing your capabilities using any legal means available is something virtually every adult in the workforce does everyday. Why should baseball be held to any other standard? These men are simply easy targets because of their fame and most peoples anonymity when critiquing. It sickens me when so many people trample the rights we hold sacred as Americans. We are confusing ones personal morality with legality, and are also applying rules ex post facto in direct contradiction to Article 1 of the US Constitution. Love them or hate them, many of the players being discussed deserve to be in the HOF because they earned that right.

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Kenmeister — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:53:58 GMT

McGwire was always my fave hitter, ever since I first found out about him in '87 when I was just a kid. He was the man in my book. The whole 'roid thing has ruined a lot of what I felt about him, but I still think he deserves to be in the HOF. I don't think 'roids can make a person hit a ball flying by at 90mph+. I just think it gives you an edge in power. Many could take steroids all day long and never even touch a baseball with a bat. I think McGwire is the result of what everyone wanted him to be...SuperMan. I think if he had tested for drugs and found guilty, then he should not be in. But this never happened. Put him in the Hall where he belongs. No one inspired so many the way Mark McGwire did. I still can't find myself hating him. I wish he'd talk about it and just come out with the truth. That would clear him even if he was guilty in my book. I think MLB should have done more testing and made the rules much clearer with clear penalties for being found positive, the way businesses do. Then we wouldn't be having this discussion. There'd be proof and he would have made his own bed. In this case, the way it played out, it's not fair to McGwire.

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Dave Brooks — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:55:18 GMT

Wow. You sure are getting your canned ripped on here. This article blows and is completely wrong on almost every front. Kudos to the intelligent readers for exposing it. And 7 no hitters is not enough to get into the Hall? Mind boggling how you've turned writing into a career.

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Laura S., Orange County, California — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:56:28 GMT

I could care less about baseball. But, when the race for Mark McGwire to break the home run record came, I watched every game. He belongs in the Hall of Fame. He made me care.

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Tom K — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:59:21 GMT

McGwire does not and hopefully never will earn a place in the hall of fame. He cheated his whole career. We do not need an admission of guilt to clarify that. His actions in front of Congress was more than enough evidence that he cheated his whole career. His numbers would never be so inflated if it weren't for the performance enhancing drugs.

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Anthony — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:01:10 GMT

ALL...and i mean ALL of you McGwire haters were right there on his side when him and Sammy were smashing homers left and right. You cant tell me that there was a soul in the land that sat and thought.."if these guys are on steroids they should be punished"...no you were right there with the rest of us the next morning at work talking about teh 3 homers McGwire hit the day earlier and how close he is to breaking the record.

Pure hippocrites i say. Everyone is giving away his jersey, and dis-owning him... uhhh do you remember how fu**ing excited you got every time he was at bat? How every pitch thrown to him you were sure was out of the park.

Mark and Sammy single handedly brought baseball back to the national pastime status it was after the strike season and increase in ticket prices that drove millions of fans away... you and me both.
And if any of you idiots believe anything that Jose Canseco not "Conseco" spits out of his mouth, your just as dumb as thinking McGwire does not belong in the Hall of Fame. Babe Ruth was a drunk, and Lou Gherig was a racist... should re remove thier bronze busts, and wipe them clean of the HOF? No.

i still have his jersey, i still have hundreds of his cards, baseballs, nic nacs....everything else i bought as a kid and teen.... and ill keep it for my kids.

he should be there, and one day he will.

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steve tarbell, la habra, ca — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:01:45 GMT

I am not condoning the use of anabolic steroids, but what exactly is the definition of “Performance Enhancing Substances”? If you have a headache, aspirin is a performance enhancing substance because you will be able to concentrate better after taking it. Aspirin will enhance your performance. If you have a pulled muscle or a slight sprain, cortisone is a performance enhancing substance because you will be able to run, jump or throw better than you would without it. Cortisone will enhance your performance. Yet, aspirin and cortisone (among many other drugs) are OK. Why? What is the criteria that determines what substance is acceptable and what is not? Why does it seem so arbitrary? Andro was OK when McGwire took it; and he has admitted he took it (originally) to recover from injuries quicker. That sounds very similar to why cortisone is taken. But if, when they talk about PES, they mean steroids, then leave McGwire out of the conversation. No one has ever proven he took steroids. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty.

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Tim — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:02:01 GMT

Nolan Ryan lost a LOT of games 1-0, 2-1 or bullpen gave up his wins. HE had NO run support from Houston or most of his career in Texas. Is he saying Nolan Ryan was one dimensional, because he didn't get RBIs in his games to win them himself.

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John, Boston — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:02:02 GMT

If I had my druthers, I would say every player from this era is banned from the hall. Every single one. It's mean, it's punitative, I love it. That will send a message to management, baseball players who consider cheating in the future, and fans and kids. The answer is when you cheat, you cheat every one around you, not just yourself.

This, unfortunately, will include some who truly deserve entry (or doubly so, since they were competing against the dopers). I don't care. I say throw the old men out with the bathwater. In this case, you can't tell which is which, so it would be impossible not to.

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John Doe, Seattle, WA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:04:24 GMT

NOT HOF worthy, in my humble opionion. Maybe someone will think twice on cheating in sports.

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Gary, Redding, CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:10:23 GMT

I'm sorry, but with the way the voting is for the HOF (people vote based on personal feelings and not actual stats or what that person did for the game), to me, the HOF is a joke. Without McGwire, baseball would be the lost forgotten sport. McGwire and Sosa, with their homerun domination, saved the game of baseball. To not put him in the HOF for that alone, is ludicrous.

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Robin Marks — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:10:59 GMT

The Hall of Fame has lost it's relevance since they have not admitted Pete Rose.There have been many gamblers in the hall of fame and Pete Rose is a real creep (I run into him at the horse races from time to time) but he deserves to be acknowledged along with McGwire, who never denied using performance enhancers.

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Paul B, St. Louis, Mo. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:13:17 GMT

Guilty of not breaking any rules. Follow the money!
It won't be at the supplement store, it will be in
the Front Offices of almost, if not all major league
teams. Hell, he needed something to carry all of their
weight.

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John Mac — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:13:48 GMT

Pete Rose - Banned for life for gambling. Mark McGwire Hall of Fame for drug use. That makes sense! Everything this man accomplished in the sport should be eliminated from the records. When you make millions of dollars a year to scratch your nuts you should at least play by the rules. So many of my sports heroes have gone down in flames. When it is steroids I lose all respect for them as an athlete and Role Model.

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ed callaert....mill valley ca — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:16:13 GMT

its shocking that this one dimensional chemical creation is even being considered for the hall...when you add in his sour personality, which has turned off so many writers, its not a surprise in any way

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Beanball — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:16:31 GMT

From everything I've ever read about Mark McGuire, he is a very decent human being. I don't think he deserves to be vilified. He made a mistake that many people apparently did. Should that keep him out of the HoF? Absolutely yes!

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Velora Lilley, Franklin, NC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:21:56 GMT

I have a hard time reading all these comments, because I can't help but think how many of these people are perfect. They put athletes on a pedestal and as soon as they do something they don't like, they condemn them. The harm was done more to themselves than to us. At least Christ gives us a second chance. Can we do no less. Athletes are held as examples for youth, but if we take a look at the people they are around everyday, do they set a better example? Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

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Steven, NYC, NY — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:25:42 GMT

The guy is a cheater, like Palmero, like Clemens, like Bonds. What McGwire did early in his career cannot eevn touch his later years. How does a guy age and HIT MORE HRs?? Easy, ROIDS. In my opinion I would keep McGwire, Palmero, Bonds, and Clemens out of the HOF to make a point that cheating is just as serious as the other infracticns which have kept other players out.

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dr, Lincoln, NE — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:28:06 GMT

Mark McGwire-PED's=Adam Dunn

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GR, Riverside ,CA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:28:12 GMT

BBWAA Rules For Election to the Hall of Fame

5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

McGwire's integrity & character (during his playing days) became suspect on March 17, 2005 by his lack of candor; refusal to answer direct questions under oath. He must have felt that the result of being candid might be the sound of the HOF doors closing before him. By not being candid he has guaranteed that.

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Eddie, NYC — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:30:26 GMT

HE'S A CHEATER AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT! Forget him. People want to give Barry Bonds a raw deal because he doesn't like you guys (the media) but you want to give McSteriod a pass? HYPOCRITES!

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Mark, Seattle, WA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:42:10 GMT

Career .263 hitter. One Gold Glove. 1626 hits. 1596 strikeouts. Steroids or not, McGwire put up career totals just slightly better than Dave Kingman. And you're trying to tell me that's worthy of the Hall of Fame???

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Caroline Walsh, South Bend, IN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:59:20 GMT

Where is the Proof that McGwire Cheated?? Do we take the word of an ammitted liar and cheat? And stop talking about Andro - at the time he was taking it, it was not illegal.

Sure McGwire's performance in front of the Congress was less than stellar - but he didn't want to throw any of his friends "under the bus". Shouldn't that count for something?

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Yaramah, Atlanta GA — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:11:00 GMT

The real test will be when Bonds, Sosa or Clemens come up for HOF vote. Because I think it will play out this way, once one former known user of PES gets in, they all get in for you obviously can't use PES as an excuse if one is already in the HOF.

Since use of PES was prevalent throughout the 90's I don't see how you can discriminate against anyone from that era. If the numbers say they should be in, then they go in. Otherwise expunge their numbers from the books as they obviously mean nothing.

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Anita Pesola, Brandon, FL — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:30:59 GMT

This my personal opinion, and I have maintained it for years. If McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, et al., managed to get into the HOF, then ya better open it up for Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, and (of all people) Steve Howe too. At least Rose and Jackson did their cheating externally. The others all did it INTERNALLY, where it affected their health and their very lives.

Roger Clemens, are you listening to this?

Anita Pesola

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Ray Herweck, Kirkwood, Missouri — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:47:40 GMT

Having been a Cardinal fan during the McGwire years I have to defend him. Those who say he ran away when he retired are way off base. His sole purpose was to get past 62, once he accomplished what he set out to do, he couldn't wait to retire.
He didn't promote baseball, make personal appearances, accept trophies, etc. when he was active. He was very private, when he wasn't playing, you never saw or heard from him.
He was also very self assured and I don't think he cares one bit what anybody else thinks of him. He's happy and that's all that counts.

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Wil, wilm de — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:54:00 GMT

HOF voting is a joke..... How is Lee Smith not in the Hall.....MLB juiced the baseball long any player juiced themselves.....

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GoMcGwire, Eagan,MN — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:55:57 GMT

'Cheated?' What are we children here??? The author makes a good point. The HOF is for outstanding-ground breaking - heroes (over used term in this forum). They are human and humans make mistakes but that should not erase the dedication, excitement and postiveness that McGwire brought to the game!
Get over yourselves and allow those to vote as they see fit - let him set where he should in Canton. I didn't realize that baseball had so many pretentious fans!

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Jason West Covina, CA — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:23:32 GMT

Conseco? Hard to validate your opinion if you can't even spell a player's name correctly. The Mitchell Report was supposed to validate CANSECO's book and guess what? It didn't, and yet all of these voters think they are bigger than the game and holding him out of the Hall based on what they think he did. So conspiracy theory is enough to keep an individual out of the Hall? Utter lack of proof is enough to punish a man's resume? It is a joke. Countless numbers of players were using back then and MLB turned the other cheek. They should step in on behalf of these players like McGwire and take the Hall vote away from these writers. Shame on this group for punishing a man who has done nothing wrong. Innocent until proven guilty remember folks?

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CFC, Chino, CA — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:00:20 GMT

The bottom line for most of those posting negatively for McGwire is their firm belief that he used "illegal" substances (Andro was not, at the time), and therefore was a "cheater." Folks, athletes, entertainers, musicians, etc. have been using whatever edge they could as far back as you can track it. It's not cheating if it's legal. The fact is, McGwire stopped using andro when he became concerned about the perception it gave. If he was really a "cheater" he would have blown off public opinion and continued using it. And he didn't "lie" to anyone, including congress. He didn't give the answers a lot of people were hoping he would, but he did act on the advice of his attorneys in a perfectly legal way. Professionals of all types have and will continue to look for any edge they can, legal or otherwise. Let's not start tarring those who found a legal edge with those who have crossed the line. Give Mark McGwire his due. Others who have been caught/convicted should definitely be scorned, but making someone guilty by association would pretty much include all the players of that "steroids" era.

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djfour — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:04:48 GMT

If you're gonna condemn the man, then how about spelling his name right? It's McGwire. I am also amazed and how many people still act like there's been proof beyond a shadow of a doubt! Beyond the Andro, which was available in any health food store, there is ZERO proof! Sorry, but the word of Jose Canseco doesn't constitute truth. The man was broke and trying to sell a book. The Mitchell report uncovered nothing on McGwire. Last time I heard, it was innocent until PROVEN guilty in this country. Big Mac doesn't deserve to be punished for the entire era in baseball.

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zac, austin, tx — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:07:40 GMT

The only way I see anyone such as McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, or anyone else SUSPECTED of using performance enhancing drugs getting into the HOF is if the Hall recognizes and classifies this as the Steroid Era. If that happens let them all in. If baseball is not willing to admit to this then there is no place in hallowed halls for these individuals. Right or wrong the hall is the hall and it deserves as much respect as the game itself.

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mike gee, castle rock co — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:18:14 GMT

Judged against your peers. Bonds age 42- 340 at bats 28 HR's. Check the math but at a normal 600 AB's in a season thats about 49. If his peers are all the players in the majors he rates high. If you call his peers all 42 year olds ever he rates as superman. All while being the most watched man in the history of baseball and never testing positive. If he can't get in no one from this time period can. If someone did well we suspect him. Suspicion is enough to convict according to some.

And Pete Rose? Nothing to compare. He broke the only rule posted in the clubhouse in all parks. He made the outcome of every game he managed questionable. That would turn baseball into the WWE. No longer a sport.

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Bob Smith, Cape Coral, Fl — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:31:37 GMT

How sad is this!!! We will sit and argue the merits of whether or not a sports figure deserves to be in the HOF for using substances that were NOT ILLEGAL at the time but continue to vote lying, cheating, unethical politicians into office year after year!!! (Bill, Hillary, George, Obama, etc...) Sad, isn't it...

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Matt, NJ — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:54:53 GMT

If you don't know everyone is starting on a level playing field whether it be through betting or PED's then its no better than watching professional wrestling. The people claiming that MLB looked away need to take a hard look at individual responsibility. Bud Selig didn't put that syringe in his hand. He has no one but himself to blame. Same goes for Pete Rose, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, and Palmeiro.

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Matt, NJ — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:01:06 GMT

For those claiming that steroids weren't illegal when he took him that is false. Steroids have been illegal since the early 80's. They just didn't have a testing system back then.

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Dave Kempf in St. Louis — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:19:19 GMT

Baseball HOF voters are a sanctimonious bunch and so are most of these comments. Sosa & McGwire's 1998 season was magical after the strike in the mid-1990's and revived the national pasttime. Mitchell never uncovered anything regarding MM except the admitted use of the legal supplement Andro. Does anyone think that current athletes do not use every work-out, vitamins and legal supplements to get through a very long season? Mark may never get into the HOF, but baseball owes him and Sammy a huge debt.

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cliff boyle — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:31:22 GMT

Shoeless Joe Jackson never cheated, nor was he accused of cheating. Some of his teammates took money to throw the world series. He did not. In fact, he had a great series. Look it up.

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Harper — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:42:29 GMT

This article misses the point: When he says we should judge him similarly to Bonds et al, he seems to assume that they wont be judged equally harshly. After all, none of them are even eligible for the hall yet. Frankly, I do not think any of them will or should be admitted.

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Shep, Madison, WI — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:02:28 GMT

McGuire's silence, to me at least, confirms what everyone knows in that he used PES. If he would level with the fans and set the record straight he would be HOF worthy by me. You'll never see it happen though as it would incriminate him from his testimony in front of Congress. A bed that he made and can sleep in. If he was a man he would face the music regardless of consequences...until he does he's not worthy in my book.

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francis, singapore — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:08:53 GMT

put him in the hall, take him out when proven guilty. how hard is that?

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Frank, Wilmington, Ohio — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:42:25 GMT

You cheat, you lose, game over, forfeit. You can not let any of the cheaters in. You would be saying that cheating is alright.

I read a few of the posts. Some believe what they did brought excitement to the game. That they did. But they also brought shame, and made a mockery of the sacred records that true baseball fans hold dear to allow us to compare Babe Ruth to Hank Arron.

I am 44, and I did not start getting stronger and faster when I turned 35. If you want to see what a great player looks like, with a natural great career that shows the normal downward curve in his numbers, then take a look at Ken Griffey, Jr. If there would not of been any of this steroid mess, he is all anyone would have been talking about over the course of all those drug aided home runs that were hit by McGuire, Bonds, and Sosa.

And as for Pete Rose, he is a liar who gambled on baseball and broke the rules. He should have been punished. He should also be in the Hall of Fame. He played the game hard and has the hits to prove his greatness. All these steroid era players were playing ball at the time they broke the rules, Pete was not.

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Robert Clark, Erie,Pa — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:49:48 GMT

Innocent until proven guilty!! You can take all of the performance enhancing drugs there are, but without having the raw natural talent of a McGwire you are still going to be just another average player. Mark McGwire was and is a Hall of Fame Athlete. Both Mark McGwire and Pete Rose earned their right to be in the hall based on their achievements as players. Players that always gave 110 percent as team players....too win throughout their careers. There are so many players today that once they make a name for themselves and earn those big contracts, they seem to just disappear into the stadiums only to be occasionally heard from again. Both Mark and Pete battled hard and excelled to the very last second that they played.This to me is what deserves one to be labeled as a Hall of Fame Player (in any sport).

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Aaron W, Hartford, CT — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:10:22 GMT

Just because Andro wasn't banned doesn't mean it was okay for him to take it. He knew that it was giving him an edge and did it anyway. He could hit. That's about all he could do. 1 Gold Glove? Big Deal. That was early on in his career. Then to go before Congress and pretty much plead the 5th. I hope he never gets into the Hall. Sosa and Bonds too and Clemens and Palmero. I hate the arguement that we should take into account that the whole era was tainted by chemical enhancement and somehow let that justify letting these cheaters into the HOF.

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T. L. Lawrence — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:34:45 GMT

McGwire was a juiced up freak....came into the league weighing 190-195lbs....juiced up to 250-260 hitting tower balls NOBODY had ever witnessed before. When Creatine was discussed with him as a questionable supplement he was taking, and he was questioned about any other substances he might be taking, all the while random drug testing was not in place in Baseball yet, he swore off Creatine, and the injuries were a plentiful. His numbers fell off the charts, and he quit during a season, barely hitting the "Mendoza Level" of .200, and only 17 home runs shy of 600. He then walked away and claimed he never played the game for records. He dropped enormous weight to what appears to be around 200-210, and made a fool of himself in front of Congress not wanting to "man-up", and come clean about the past, obviously concerned about entering the HOF, made a laughing stock of himself, and has gone into hiding ever since. Sounds like "GUILT" to me. If you're not guilty, you scream to the roof tops your innocense. He didn't fail a drug test because MLB didn't have one in place, and McGwire and many others in baseball knew this, and cashed in on mega-million dollar contracts with obscene stats while they could, because they knew random drug testing was on it's way into the game. McGwire didn't need to fail a drug test to show guilt, his actions since leaving the game show his guilt...and if not Marky Mark, then start talking. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmero, Clemens, Canseco, Sheffield...none of those cheaters will EVER get ito the Hall of Fame, and deservedly so. Hope they saved their money. Lets check back with them in 20 years and see whether the side effects of those substances they "never took" are taking a toll on them. Stay tuned.

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Mike, Dayton, OH — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:16:45 GMT

FACT: McGwire admitted to having used the legal dietary supplement androstenedione, a steroid which is said by its manufacturers to boost testosterone levels. FACT: McGwire publicly discouraged younger baseball players from using this steroid. FACT: The steroid McGwire admitted using was NOT a banned substance from MLB (or anywhere else) at the time of its use. There certainly are alot of doubting Thomases so quickly ready and willing to throw that first stone at someone who, along with Sammy Sosa, put the game of baseball back on on its feet again, with their homerun chase. Cheaters? Innocent until proven otherwise. Liars? Never proven, only assumed. We're all entitled to our opinions, as evident here (and in numerous other forums) but McGwire has been judged and convicted in the court of public opinion, not by a shred of damning documented proof.

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kr Easton Ct. — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:25:26 GMT

Dawson not being in the HOF is a disgrace to all that vote... 23rd All-Time in Total Bases...34th in RBI...36th in HR ...45th in hits... was ROY and MVP ... had 8 Gold Gloves..and was voted to the All-Star team 8 times.

Rice is not in the top 50 in any of those categories..and had 0 Gold Gloves.

WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ?

Mcguire had more HR per AB than anyone in history..Ruth Aaron Bonds..anyone..and by a large margin. If Sosa or Bonds get in..he better be going in with them

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Mikey Mo Stony Brook, NY — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:36:33 GMT

Your way off base in comparison with Nolan Ryan. 320 plus wins and 7 no hitters is a stamp to the hall of fame. He needed nothing more. McGwire would have probably made it in even with the speculation of steriod use. He did himself a severe injustice by making himself look so bad in front of congress. Thats why he is done. personally I would like to see him in but his refusal to answer questions in front of congress will be remembered by all. more so than his homers. Unfortunately.

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One of the Masses — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:56:51 GMT

AMERICA = Innocent until PROVEN guilty. The knuckleheads that are saying "just look at how he bulked up" is any kind of PROOF are sadly mistaken and frankly they are un-american.

What you can PROVE is this: MG hit a pile of home-runs EVERY year he was in the bigs. Broke the rookie record.

What you can PROVE is that after the strike year. MG and SS SAVED baseball for the casual fan. Oh sure, the hard-core fanatics would watch (and whine) about any game played between any teams with rosters of any players. Most of the rest of us... the vast majority of us in the stands each summer... couldn't be paid to watch baseball after the strike. It was only the excitement of watching MG and SS smashing their way through the summer that got us to care at all about what was happening in the big league parks.

Let's face the real facts. After the strike, baseball is lucky to be where it is today. If it hadn't been for the summer of slam, there is a very real possibility that many of the smaller markets teams would have folded due to complete lack of interest from the only people who really count in this. The masses. Not the fanatics. Not the players or owners. And certainly not the writers. (Many of whom write because they could never play the game in the first place, so they feel more important by telling us all what they THINK about those who can play the game.)

It is the masses that make baseball work. The masses fill the stands. The masses buy hats, jerseys and any other thing a team can think to stick a logo on. The masses, those fan that catch a game or two during a season, are what make baseball a possibility.

And it was Mark and Sammy that brought the masses back to the game. It was Mark and Sammy who made front page news in nearly every market nation-wide. How many nights did you tune into your local newscasts (even those in non-Big League cities) and find that the lead story that night was Mark and Sammy? They gave baseball life again. How many MILLIONS of people would not have even noticed the end of Cal Ripken's streak that summer had it not been for the non-stop spectacle that was Mark and Sammy?

I find it offensive that as a society we can so easily toss aside what MG and SS did for the game that summer.

To all of you who proclaim loudly that they "just know" MG cheated and is therefore guilty, I have this to offer. Pray that you are never accused of anything that others, even from a far, "just know" you did without a shred of real PROOF. Imagine the anger and frustration you would have if someone accused you of something. Because they "just know" you did it. How would you react? Mark's shoes are pretty uncomfortable if you ask me.

If we are to ban all the players who are SUSPECTED of using PES, then shouldn't we look at all the other players, including those currently in the HOF who might have used other substances that might have given them an edge? That means every player to play before 1914 is out. Cocaine was legal and prescribed by doctors as a cure-all. We really should look at all the guys who played before 2004 when baseball finally outlawed amphetamines. Pep-pills were widely used for nearly all of baseball's history. Surely they are the precursors to today's PES. And finally, Alcohol, everyone favorite pick-me-up was illegal for a time. Should we toss out of the HOF only those that were suspected of having a quick belt during prohibition or everyone who has ever been suspected of having a drink? Damn the proof and toss them all out!

Does anyone out there even know what PES do for you? They allow you to work harder. Right or wrong, PES allow a guy who is motivated to get back in the gym and work harder and longer. PES is not magic. You don't give yourself a shot in the backside and suddenly you are Superman. PES are not Popeye's spinach! I think their use is wrong and bad for all sports. I am glad that sports is finally cracking down on their use. But ask your self this... who got cheated? The pitchers? Nope, by all reports they were using PES too.The writers? Nope, they had something that people wanted to read about again. The fans? Nope, they started to care again. The game? Nope, it was saved. Then who got cheated? Maybe, just maybe the only ones who got cheated were the guys who did take the PES and worked themselves beyond regular human endurance (and to early health problems) for YOUR enjoyment. So YOU would care again.

Rules change. Times change. If the HOF is a living record of the greatest to play the game in each era, then we must accept that each era has it's own set of rules to which they must answer. Just because we change the rules (or start enforcing them) for this generation does not detract from what was accomplished by a previous generation. Mark and Sammy SAVED the game that many of you are claiming you want to protect. THEY protected it from becoming America's former pastime. For that reason alone they should both be in the Hall... Unanimously... On the first ballot.

Signed,

An Offended Former Fan.

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William Perry, Austin, TX — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:25:08 GMT

Here's an idea. Any athlete, in any sport, PROVEN to have used PED's and somehow gets inducted into his sport's Hall anyway has to wait for posthumous induction.

My reasoning is simple. It is well known that the speech given is a validation of their careers, a last hurrah in front of adoring fans.

I suspect that a doper will fall through the cracks and get inducted. Maybe an apology was involved with full disclosure, and that would be great; but they should be denied that spot on the stage.

Their plaques should reflect the fact that they used as well.

As for Pete Rose, he would be in if he told the truth back in 1989, instead of 2005 in his last year of eligibilty (had he been eligible). If he ever gets reinstated, he goes to the veteran's committee.

Shoeless Joe, if he was part of the World Series fix, sure seemed to lack understanding of what a fix was, seeing as he hit .375 with the only homer and no errors in the outfield. If he was, then the lifetime ban is over. Let him in.

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David Fortney, Exton, Pa. — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:25:39 GMT

I agree, no HOF for McGwire, Sosa, or Bonds, what they did was destroy the faith and the love we all had for the game. They can say all they want but the drugs that they used weather legal or not left a stain on baseball and the fans. I don't feel the same anymore about baseball. What a weasel and the others are just like him.

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Walt Scarbrough, Norris, TN — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:27:51 GMT

McGwire has never been proven guilty of taking a PES. What he was on was LEGAL when he took it. There's no positive proof of steroids, just accusations. What HOF pitchers were always accused of throwing spitters, which are illegal, yet they are in?
He led baseball back from the disappointment of the strikes. He and Sosa re-ignited fans passion for the game. MLB needed what he had to offer, and they provided him with the tools to achieve it.
How can you ban him from the BASEBALL Hall of Fame when broke no rules?
Ban him from the role model HOF, place him in the Idiot Who Should Have Been Better Prepped Before He Testified Hall of Fame, but don't go backwards and place a rule on him now that didint exist when he was playing. He played by the rules he was given.
The thing I remember about the Chase - his son being there and being able to watch his dad make history. Andro didn't make him be any less a father, much less a baseball player.

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J. Bartow, Elgin, IL — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:33:06 GMT

Look at Ron Santo and compare him to Mark McGwire. Tell me now who's getting a raw deal.

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Timothy Lloyd, Nashville, Tennessee — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:16:30 GMT

Where were all you "ostriches" fifteen years ago? If you can't remember the strike of '94, then you shouldn't be commenting, because baseball was dead for three years after that. In the '95, '96, & '97 seasons, you could get an outfield ticket to any major league park for ten-bucks, and sit behind home plate for twenty. Then came the "Home Run Dual" between McGwire and Sosa in '98. Interest in baseball skyrocketed and the parks filled back up. Even people who don't normally watch baseball talked about it every day, and true baseball fans couldn't get to their TV sets fast enough to see what was happening. McGwire and Sosa both belong in the Hall for the 1998 season alone, whatever else they did or didn't do notwithstanding. They brought baseball back from the brink of extinction, and reminded us why we love the sport.

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bk, st louis, mo — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:55:01 GMT

Come on people, it's not like the word steroids was never mentioned about Mark McGwire before he started breaking records. Can't anyone else remember how he and Canseco went from skinny to huge overnight? They were juicing it up in Oakland early on in their careers.

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Joe Leonard, Bozeman MT — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:36:07 GMT

McGwire has his place in the Hall of Fools. We don't even have to change the acronym.

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Steph, Cleveland, OH — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:59:32 GMT

I actually am not a sports fan. But I remember the McGwire era and how exciting that was. I agree that the team and MLB committed a major mistake by not testing earlier and everyone. But if the HOF is to mean something- have relevance, then there has to be a certain level of intergrity when inducting players. This is another example of the sad state of our values in this county- "Win no matter what you have to do." I don't know for certain that McGwire used PES, but I know his name is tainted and I haven't heard of him doing very much to clear his name. The choice is very clear, elect McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, and Bonds and strip the HOF of its integity and relevance or show players and fans that in the end you may earn millions on the field and in endorsements but your legacy will be mud if you cheat.

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fudd — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:40:07 GMT

It's a well documented fact that Babe Ruth drank until the early hours and then popped amphetymines so he could play. They weren't a banned substance when he played, and he is regarded as one of the greatest baseball players of all time. "IF" McGwire took andro (which was legal over the counter and not a banned substance at the time as amphetymines are now) then should Ruth be removed from the Hall along with others because substances they took now are banned?

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Shaun Ard, Knoxville, TN — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:21:41 GMT

I think the big difference between Bond's case and McGwire is the combination of the one-dimensional argument along with the roid arguments. The fact the McGwire was an exceptional power hitter, as stated his HR numbers are the only ones truly hall worthy, and also linked to the roids is a killer. Not defending Bonds or his hall chances, you could ignore ALL of his HRs and he would still be a damn good candidate based on the numbers.

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Ken Dixon, Mound, MN — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:47:48 GMT

If a player was using performance enhancing drugs that were not illegal at the time they were being used...THEY WERE NOT ILLEGAL. That would be the same as being pulled over and having a .08 breathalyser result when the limit was 1.0 and now being charged with DUI because the law changed.
I would also like to know how steroids help a batter hit a 90+ mph, 9" circumference rotating ball. Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire did not become home run hitters because of possibly using steroids. They may have hit them further but they weren't fly ball hitters who all of sudden started clearing the fences.
The league dropped the ball by not addressing these issues years before it started to become mainstream. The baseball commissioner and his staff have been behind all other sports in addressing many issues.
Judge these atheletes on their performance and results or come up with specific stats that must be met in order to be voted into the HOF. (By the way I feel maybe it is time to address who is voting in the HOF inductees, some of these people need medicinal help.)

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Mike, Washington DC — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:22:09 GMT

Any of you making the case that McGwire cheated are wrong, as far as we know. He admitted to using a PED that was legal, without prescription, and was not a banned substance in baseball at the time. To say he cheated is like saying the Yankees cheat because they spend more money than the other teams. The game has evolved/changed over its entire history, which is why you can't compare Babe Ruth to Alex Rodriguez. It makes no sense to do so. You have to judge a player against his peers and in the time period he played. No one knows who used illegal PEDs or who didn't, and guessing is just guessing.

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Clay, San Diego, CA — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:05:07 GMT

I love baseball and think that if you cheated the game then you've lost your chance at the hall. My mother use to tell me it doesn't matter if the other kids are doing it, if it's wrong it's wrong. I have two kids now and I'm trying to teach them the same lesson. Let it be a lesson to the cheaters of the past, present and future that the hall is out of reach and maybe they'll consider playing by the rules.

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LAZYMO,FONTANA,CA. — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:47:00 GMT

IF YOU ARE GOING TO LET MCGUIRE IN THEN YOU HAVE TO LET BARRY BONDS IN ALSO WHEN IT IS HIS TURN.BONDS HAS BEEN ACCUSSED OF ALOT AND FOUND GUILTY OF NOTHING SO FAR.

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Stephen from Miami — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:04:06 GMT

McGwire should be in the Hall of Fame. The points you made were rational. Who is to say that players in the 60's and 70's didn't take pain killers and uppers to gain their success. Many players talk about taking uppers before games. McGwire's biggest mistake is to hide from the public. He should have confronted the press and deny taking steroids. Isn't this country supposed to be based on presumed innocent until proven guily.

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Bobby Townsend — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:13:38 GMT

CHEATER!!!!!! How about adding a wing to the HOF for Steroid and HGH users. DISGUSTING!!!!!

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Jason D Pleasantville NJ — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:32:08 GMT

Mark McGwire should be in the hall end of story. Good article.

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Jim Hubert, Rapid city, SD — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:56:45 GMT

Sorry, but if you take the pre-steroids MacGuire, and expand those stats to complete his career, he's good, but there are better players still waiting in the HoF line.

He's getting what he deserves for cheating and lying...and if he hadn't cheated and lied, he wouldn't have made the Hall, anyway.

McGwire getting a raw deal

M.L. - Upland, CA — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:54:23 GMT

What law did McGwire break? Did he do something criminal or against the rules of MLB to enhance his ability to play the game? Did he have special access to prescription drugs or other exotic substances that were not available to others, only him, and therefore that somehow makes him inelligible for the Hall of Fame? I think *not.*

The article is right - the players should be reviewed in the context of the "era" they played. McGwire was breaking records LONG before any of this Human Growth Hormone stuff. He's not part of some nefarious plot (BALCO, for example) to gain an unfair advantage and then be consumed with covering it up.

Cheating is using a cork bat, using scuff junk hidden in your hat to change the surface of the ball when throwing pitches - things of that nature.

Or, using Jedi Mind Tricks to force pitchers to throw pitches you know you can annihilate out of the park. I'm pretty sure that's cheating, too. But no one's been caught doing it yet, because you figure, if you can use the Jedi Mind Trick, you can convince anyone of anything.

McGwire getting a raw deal

Carlo, San Francisco, CA — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:57 GMT

Chucklehead.

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Dan Ram TX — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:19:23 GMT

I'd sooner let Michael Jackson in a day care then let that cheater McGwire in the HOF.

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JT Blackadar, Charlotte, NC — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:38:44 GMT

You either ban EVERYONE from that era or no one. There are a lot of guys who show typical "symptoms" of roid use - from Griffy to Garciaparra to A-Rod to the Rocket. These symptoms include size, injuries and accusations. Do you ban them all, when no one is above suspicion? Imagine the howling Yankees fans when Jeter doesn't get in because he simply played in the 'Roid Era and can't be ruled out from taking drugs. Since it's really the MLB that enabled this scenario, let 'em in and be done with it.

With that said, it's pretty easy to question Big Mac's HOF credentials. He has the homers, but that's about it. He was pretty one-dimensional. In a way, he's this generation's Jim Rice, who didn't get in until his 15th and final try. I agree he should be in, but he's not an "automatic" choice by any means.

McGwire getting a raw deal

DeWayne Acworth, GA — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:41:08 GMT

Which part of McGwire constitutes a HOFer? Outside of the drug induced body that created a home run hitting machine what part of his game is HOF worthy? Is it his .263 lifetime batting average? All of his MVP awards? Wait he didn't win any of those. Take away the homers and nothing about McGuire belongs, including his disgraceful appearance before congress.

McGwire getting a raw deal

Rick Hudolin Maryville, TN — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:45:13 GMT

Gee, I don't remember McGwire ever being tested and found guilty of using anything except for Andro, which was legal at that time and that was by his own admission. I thought this was the United States where one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not any one of you or myself can judge someone on what we believe to be true. McGwire was asked to appear before congress to discuss steroids in baseball. He agreed to show up and simply stated he would not talk about the past. I don't like to talk about the past neither. Does it mean I have something to hide? No. It means I don't like talking about the past. Let's also throw in McGwire's selflessness and how he gave and gave to children's charities and how he started a children's foundation and in this age of gred by professional athletes how he gave a huge portion of his salary to these causes. Or how he re-signed with St. Louis for well below his "worth" because he loved the fans so much. The same fans who have turned their backs on this man and snub him now. Well, I am not one of those fans. I still think of McGwire as the greatest slugger of his era. I also think people forget or want to forget that during a time when baseball attendance was still down because of the player's strike, he and Sosa saved baseball. You can argue this to the grave, but they did. There is no rebuttal. He belongs in the Hall. He deserves his privacy as well considering it seems like a bunch of yoo-hoo's have formed an unwarranted lynch mob trying to make an example of him. I would be willing to bet that 99% of you doubters aren't 1/2 the father or person he is. So get a grip and use your heads people. Look past your own ignorance and look at the man as a whole. If you didn't see him use, you don't know, do ya?

McGwire getting a raw deal

Gustavo, Austin, Tx — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:01:04 GMT

Why do I sense that if the article had been about Bonds or Sosa, the artilce would be about how they should NOT be in the HOF? Why do I sense that if the article had been about Bonds or Sosa, the article would be accusatory in tone, even though Bonds nor Sosa have ever failed a drug test either? Quoting Mr Robinson "Thus, if a voter rejects McGwire for ethical reasons, the same standard must be used for Bonds, Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro (failed drug test), Pudge Rodriguez, and even Roger Clemens."
The question to Mr Robinson is would he use the same standards to write an article on Bonds, Sosa, or Rodriguez about how they got a raw deal when they get passed over for the HOF?

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Jody Foster Irvington, Alabama — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:11:55 GMT

I really like the way people say things like "we know" about what some one the you never met did. You may believe but if you have no proof you can not "know" something. It's my belief that Mark McGwire made baseball what it is today. People had really turned their backs on baseball. Football was faster paced, the players had just been on strike, and the games took forever.
MLB made a decision to do something to get fans back. Their decision was to juice the ball. The ball was wound so tight it was like hitting a golf ball. Home runs were exciting and that was what people wanted to see. Mcgwire and many others saw their numbers sky rocket. I also believe that many things other than the ball was juiced during this period.
The summer that Mcgwire broke the record people that would have never watched a game was watching games, people were turning to espn to see what big Mac had done that day. Mcgwire helped bring more fans to the game than anyone in this era. Put what ever you want by his name as long as he gets in the Hall.

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MAC INDIANA — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:12:51 GMT

Show me prove of a positive test for PES it was legal back when Big Mac played.NOT GULITY.How much more prove do you need.Sports writer just can't make up some rules and I thank sports writers should never vote on baseball if they have never played Pro Baseball.Who made them god?How do we know the sports writer no on PES? And who test them? They are a joke.

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Tim L — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:41:30 GMT

Mcgwire cheated , and sad thing is him, Bonds (mellonhead) Sosa (What i did not know i was using a corked bat)all have this fear of admitting the truth. Come on guys stand up and just admit Roid usage. Otherwise to hell with all three of you. HOF yea right, serious black mark because of these 3. Thank God for honest guys like Tony Gwynn, Cal Ripkin and Ken Griffey JR.

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Stan Petruska, Livingston, NJ — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:45:48 GMT

No to McGwire, No to Palmiero, No to Clemens, no to Sosa, no to Bonds. All of these guys cheated and lied about it to cover their own behinds. For you to think otherwise is crazy. These guys singlehandedly nearly destroyed this sport.

Look at the numbers of today. How many guys are hitting 60+ homers? How many are hitting 50+? Guys who are absolute mashers like Albert Pujols would hit 100 dingers if they were on the juice.

The public can be very forgiving if you are contrite like Jason Giambi was when confronted. None of the others have shown an ounce of remorse.

Shoeless Joe Jackson belongs in the Hall of Fame long before any of these other clowns. He isnt getting in and neither should they.

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Ryan Redimarker — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:54:36 GMT

"Though the article was well written, it cannot stand up to close scrutiny. There's no reason to take the long way around the barn here - McGwire cheated. It's that plain, it's that simple. There's no grey area here to loose one's focus on."

Where are the facts that McGwire cheated. Assumptions used to get people hanged and burned at the stake.

Lets put some of this blame on the fans and certainly the owners and Bud Selig. Smashing home run records and attaining power numbers not seen since Babe Ruth come on. But we as fans sucked up every bit of it. Hypocrites. Any player that has not been convicted of a crime or infraction against MLBs rules should be considered for the HOF for what they did on the field.
In McGwires case he gets in with his slugging and ok defense.
Lets not forget his 49 homers as a rookie. He had tremendous power throughout his career. He didn't steroid his way to being a slugger. He always was.
Hypocrites.

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David Hall, Charlottesville VA — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:40:36 GMT

It can't be Ryan's 324 wins that got him into the Hall? I had to quit reading after that. Did you really write that?

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ICCJ MT, MT — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:55:20 GMT

Mark never was tested, so that means he never took them, right? (Same concept to a tree falling in the forest and nobody was there, did it make a sound?) What many do not know about Mark is that his first hit ever in his life was a HR. People interviewed that knew him in college, said all he did was sit around and lift weights. When you are young, you gain muscle quickly. He took Andro, which was not illegal at the time. (at one time Cocaine used to be legal) California even legalized Marijuana, but before they did, I am sure that many people judging him now smoked it. I am sure that many people here that are outside the state have done illegal substances and are judging him. Mark and Sammy brought excitement back to the game that had not been seen in a long time.

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Sam G, Woodland Hills CA, — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:25:15 GMT

Ask his peers what McGuire has meant to the game. He almost singlehandedly saved the sport and took pills that at the time were not banned. Other assertions of illicit use are between him and his maker, not for us to judge. He did not lie under oath. He may have lied to himself but that should not keep an otherwise vital link with the "good" in the game, selflessness and community from his very just due. Do not forget that he signed for a short season with the Card's and donated $1 million to a wonderful children's organization when a million meant something and then re-upped with the team the following year forsaking more money in the open market. This is a decent superstar caught in a swell of mob mentality. Put the flames and pitchforks down long enough to give this man a break. He deserves in. I for one will be pleased to see the day.

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Joe Clark, Tacoma, WA — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:01:30 GMT

I disagree with the article completely. I think back to the days of the Olympics and the athletes from East Germany and the Soviet Union. It was obvious they were using performance enhancing drugs and the US was up in arms. The Tour de France is being ruined (if it hasn't been already) by drug cheats. What makes it ok for baseball? Because it's "our" sport? If a student cheats on an exam, it's wrong. If half the class cheats, it's still wrong. Why is this different? Honor those who didn't cheat, not those who did! Anyone who knowingly used a performance enhancing substance to achieve an advantage is less of an athlete, and less of a competitor in my mind than someone who did. Mark McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemans, Tejada, Palmiero and many more were cheats. They do not belong in the Hall of Fame. Maybe the Hal of Fame class sizes for steroid era will be smaller. So what. There is no yearly quota for induction. Remember that old baseball quote, "he played the game right?" They didn't. End of story.

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Jim Anspach, Tacoma, Wash. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:37:04 GMT

McGuire hit 303 home runs in a 5 year period. Predigious would be the discription, as were his homers. No one ever hit the ball so far, so often. HE has tape measure shots in nearly every ball park, he played in. He played in 3 world series and won, one in Oakland. He hit over .300 a number of times. He brought the game, along with Sosa, out of the morgue, after the baseball strike and post-poned season put it there. He did not use any illegal substance and is innocent until proven guilty. He belongs in the HOF, because he changed the game and captured the heart and soul of the entire country.
Nolan Ryan won 300+ games, holds the all time strike out record and pitched 7 no-hitters. He lost a lot of games because, he was a "gamer" and would not let managers take him out. He was old school and pitched for over 20 years throwing major league cheeze past every kind of hitter, imaginable. He personified power pitching, staying in shape and intimidated batters throughout his career, while bringout out thousands of fans just to see him pitch. Bonds should be in Hall, as well. He too put up career and individual marks before the steroid era. Most MVPs and a 5 tool player. He obviously bulked up and his numbers after 30 and 35 are monstrous. He beat Aaron, Ruth, McGuire and Sosa due to longevity. He sat back and watched other players getting records and attention and new he was better. Major League Baseball did nothing about it, so he joined in and obliterated all the slugging records, when pitchers tried to pitch around him at every opportunity and managers walked him to load the bases and even allowing runs, just to take the bat out of his hands. The purists will always have their say and will probably prevail but fans pay the tickets and come out to see the best at their best. Pete Rose deserves the Hall too.

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Gary Mace — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:31:51 GMT

I think you either say no one from 1995-2005 (steriod era)gets in the Hall or you grade them on the game they played. McGwire gave me many enjoyable evenings watching the games and if the stats are good enough he should be in. Thanks Mark for the memories and I hope you are enjoying your retirement.

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Vince, Wilmington, DE — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:53:02 GMT

This one is easy. McGwire, Bonds and Sosa DO NOT deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Their physiques ballooned through the use of steroids, and in baseball they reaped the benefits of their drug use. Their greatest moments were achieved with better living through chemistry.

As for your comment about the inquisition being about 'power', that is nonsense. While some people might think they have some control over McGwire's destiny, most, I would think, are about getting this thing right.

One more thing: just because many others were doing it (the old 'Everybody does it' defense) does NOT mean that we should be willing to remove the drug issue from the equation. If other legitimate players complain about being under the same cloud of suspicion when they have done nothing to deserve it, they have no room to stand. They could have tried to do something about it at the time instead of remaining silent.

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John G. Hutchens, Yadkinville, NC — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:51:30 GMT

I have a hard time with banning Roger Clemens from the HOF with all that he accomplished before his alledged abuse. He was the dominating pitcher in his era. Regardless which team he played for, he was succesful. And Joe Jackson got as bad rep because of his teamates. Look at his stats in the 1919 WS. Pete Rose is a jerk, but that doesn't mean he wasn't one of the best ballplayers of all time.

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Kelly, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:53:43 GMT

"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply here. Membership in the hall is an honor, and should be earned through performance and personal integrity. That's why Rose and Shoeless Joe aren't there, and that's why ANY player under a reasonable suspicion of having used steroids should not be voted in. If that means there are no inductees who played during the "Steroid Era", then so be it.

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Steve L, Culver City, CA — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:49:58 GMT

From 1989 - 1991, McGuire was lost at the plate, batting .231, .235, and .201. He slugged .467, .489, and .383. He had a good comeback year in 1992, leading the league in slugging, then spent most of the next two years injured, collecting a total of 270 plate appearances for the two years. Coming off of those two lost years, at age 31, he knocked 284 homers over the next five years (and one of the seasons was strike-shortened)! I think it's safe to say that there is a definite "before and after" tinge to McGuire's career. He was Dave Kingman before and was Ralph Kiner (on steroids) after. He wasn't even the best on steroids - Bonds and Sosa were better. Griffey was better without steroids. No Hall of Fame.

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ells,atlanta, ga — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:58:57 GMT

I still give major props to canseco for the simple fact that even tough he snitched in anger, it may help save kids lifes later. I garuntee nobody would have said anything about steroids if it wasnt for him. People hate him for tellin the truth, fact of the matter is there is alot of good "clean" players in the AAA waiting for there shot but they have to wait in line behind cheaters. Thats not what baseball should be about.