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McGwire getting a raw deal

Posted: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:23 PM

A Hall of Fame vote has never been on my wish list. I feel neither worthy nor proper in determining an honor that has rewards both emotional and material. For the same reason, I have declined invitations to vote for the Heisman Trophy and in the Harris Poll.

 

But I acknowledge that to hold this space, I must have a “take.” Thus in that spirit, here goes: Mark McGwire is a Hall of Famer. Today, tomorrow, forever.

 

His vote total decreased this year, a trend I find surprising. My belief was that, over time, the disclosure of the depth of the use of performance-enhancing substances (PES) during the BALCO era would cast a different light on McGwire’s candidacy. Three years in, I am wondering if I will be right.

 

More voters are revealing their choices and it’s hard to argue that transparency is bad. I found the comments of a Boston voter puzzling and borderline deceiving. The man in question defended his anti-McGwire stance with the claim that McGwire was “one-dimensional.”

 

Let’s look at that more closely.

 

If we accept the premise, then we must ask what exactly is the problem with dominating the most important offensive dimension? McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa were the greatest home run hitters of their era. Bonds won the career battle but McGwire was the pioneer.

As a rookie, he hit 50 (49 officially -- for one, which I personally called as an Oakland A’s broadcaster cleared the Oakland Coliseum fence and caromed off an iron railing in front of the bleachers back on to the field. The umpires didn’t move as quickly back then and missed the call) and smashed the rookie record (37 by Al Rosen), a sign of dominance.

 

McGwire was the first to hit 50 home runs in four consecutive seasons, a mark Bonds reached only once.

 

One-dimensional? McGwire won a Gold Glove, an award often scoffed at by the Numbers Crowd. Although no one should confuse McGwire with Keith Hernandez, the Gold Glove is voted on by managers and coaches.

 

Another thought rushes to me when I consider the phrase “one dimensional” when used as an insult, the manner in which the Boston writer intended. (Disclaimer 1: here we will violate, mildly, a personal rule against invoking the comparison argument with any present Hall of Famers. It is never the intent here to denigrate anyone already so honored, however…would that writer call Nolan Ryan “one-dimensional?” Ryan’s resume leads with the career strikeout record, which he smashed and, like McGwire, is a symbol of dominance. (Disclaimer 2: I acknowledge that strikeouts are regarded by many voters as significant, a stance with which I don’t agree).

 

Strikeouts must be the reason Ryan is in the Hall. It can’t be his 324 wins because his career winning percentage is barely over .500 (.526). Surely, no rational person would conclude that seven regular season no-hitters warrant Hall of Fame inclusion.

 

So I wonder what distinction is drawn between Ryan’s strikeouts and McGwire’s home runs?

 

Which leads to Part 2 of the Boston writer’s answer -- the segue into steroids. Inevitably, any objection to McGwire’s candidacy reverts to this issue. Let’s check the facts, an uncommon exercise in this matter.

 

McGwire is mentioned 10 times in the Mitchell Report, eight references are direct to the 1998 discovery of “andro” in his locker. We remind that andro – the steroid precursor was -- at the time, legal without prescription.

 

The other two references: the A’s suspicions of Jose Canseco’s use and then-Oakland general manager Sandy Alderson’s emphasis that he never considered testing McGwire.

 

So we have a player “convicted” by our own eyesight (admittedly a valid method) and his horrendous testimony before Congress (McGwire followed sound legal advice that was dispensed by attorneys who were shockingly ignorant or callous towards McGwire’s image. In either case, it was McGwire’s responsibility and he has paid a steep price).

 

The point: McGwire was not involved in BALCO or Kirk Radomski or the Orlando mail king or any other sordid distribution plot that has snagged numbers of players in recent years. This is not to proclaim his innocence, rather to insure a full understanding of McGwire’s position relative to his peers in Hall of Fame contention. Nor is this meant to minimize or condone the actions of this era.

 

Instead, I believe there are two points to emphasize:

1) Players should be judged against their peers. The brightest sportswriter I know, Bruce Jenkins of the San Francisco Chronicle, shined the light for me on this idea.

For McGwire, he should be judged within an era where we know with certainty that steroid/HGH use was widespread, both by hitters and pitchers. Thus, if a voter rejects McGwire for ethical reasons, the same standard must be used for Bonds, Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro (failed drug test), Pudge Rodriguez, and even Roger Clemens.

 

In fact, here’s a hypothetical question: is Jim Thome a Hall of Famer? He has the home run credentials. He wears the “one dimensional” badge every bit as much as McGwire. His name has never been connected with any PES use. But if a voter chooses to use ethics in judging this era, where does he/she stop? What player is above and beyond suspicion? Can a voter declare with certainty that Thome, or any of his peers, attained their numbers without artificial means? (Again, this is not to accuse Thome or anyone else. It is simply asking how a voter can judge some but not others when evidence is overwhelming about rampant PES use).

2) Voters cannot split careers. A particular argument, stunning in its lack of sense, makes the rounds about Bonds. Since suspicions of his possibly using performance-enhancing substances began in the late 1990s, Bonds could be Hall of Fame by virtue of his three MVP awards pre the PES era. Don’t you love that stance: it’s OK for someone to cheat if they’ve already had a fine career but if you’re a marginal player struggling to stay in the big leagues or a Triple-A player watching your peers use any means available to reach the show, you’re out of luck. No cheating allowed.

 

Any McGwire supporter, and likely the man himself, must be taken aback by the results. The anti-PES crusade, three years in, is showing no sign of slackening. McGwire bears the brunt of this storm. He is the first of his era to appear before the tribunal. (Interesting that Rickey Henderson, a deserving inductee, drew no suspicion. He played with a rock hard physique, no body fat and rippling muscle, until he was 42).

No, this inquisition is about power. It’s about home runs and McGwire has appeared first before the body of writers acting as a collective Torquemada.

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Everyone is making the assumption, without basis of fact, that he actually cheated.  There is a good reason for this, but conjecture does not equal truth.  McGuire inspired a generation through his play.  While his testimony (or lack thereof) before congress was disappointing keep in mind that this is the same player who retired and walked away from over $20 million because he felt he could no longer play at a high level.  HOF worthy?  A lot more so than some of the scrubs who managed to get in before him.  
The fact is, if we held everyone out of the Hall on suspicion, we'd have to simply ban inductees for a decade because you have no idea who was using.  What this really proved is not that Mark was less deserving than the other "suspected" (wanna bet nearly all of those accused did, in fact, use?) but that being *honest* is what society today punishes.  Bad guys get away (look at business) and good guys get punished.  Mark may have said "I'm not here to talk about the past" but he was *also* being honest, in front of everyone, and letting us know yes...he is guilty of some wrong-doing.  But he stood up and was accounted for.  He didn't come out and blatantly say he did anything illegal....he was in front of *congress*, for God's sake!.....but he did everything just short of that.  So what do we do?  Punish him!  Anybody wanna bet how many *lying* steroids abusers get into the Hall?
Instructions for voting from the Hall of Fame website: "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

When McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens decided to use steroids they brought their integrity, sportsmanship, and character into question.  Considering these are half of the factors that the voters take into consideration, I think it is perfectly reasonable that none of them get into the Hall of Fame
raw deal for mike - possibly so, but we will just have to welcome him into the many,many, players ( buck lenoard for example, negro leauges ) not to be enshrined....
The evidence of his cheating is all circumstantial, yet everyone is racing to announce that he is a bold-faced caught-in-the act cheater.  Truth is that he deserves to get into the Hall and he is being kept out to serve as a scapegoat for a period of time where everyone in the biz knew there were juiced players yet said nothing because of all the money and fame involved.  It's only after the fact that people get on their moral high-horse.  McGuire is not getting in so that a lot of people can feel good about their supposed moral superiority and injury even while they forget their own complicity in the original "crime".
I agree with the writer in that Mark McGwire is a HOF'er.  He was never found guilty of anything illegal therefore should not be banned for "suspicions".  If you believe Jose Canseco then the majority of players were using some sort of performance enhancing drugs.  So in that regard the HOF won't have any inductees for a 15 year span.
By the way, isn't Gaylord Perry in the HOF.....that's the guy that admitted he doctored baseballs while pitching to use to his advantage.  
How can this be said, the man help bring back baseball to the nation when it was in dier need.  Between him and Sosa during the miracle year, nobody brought this stuff up then and now all of a sudden somebody gets popped for steroids and he gets accused.  Give me a break, no wonder our nation is in the turmoil it is.  Worry about what has been proven and not what is left to the imagination people.
I completely agree with the writer and completely disagree with, what was the 1st person's word, you "chuckleheads" leaving comments?  We all think we "know" that McGwire "cheated".  We all think we "know" when the steroid era "started" and "ended".  Amphetamines were put out in clubhouses like candy in the 60s and 70s, how is this different? Did Hank Aaron take greenies?  If so, should we take away his record?  I think everybody who points out the "cheaters" is a big hypocrite.  So quick to make Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire the fall guys.  Also, the greatest hitter of all time - Pete Rose - is not in the Hall of Fame.  Yes, betting on baseball means a lifetime ban from the game.  But why does that mean banned from the Hall?  Why not put a big asterisk on his plaque?   Revisionist history is infuriating.  Fact:  Bonds and McGwire were the most dominant players of their era.   Let's just pretend the whole thing never happened and didn't count.  None of the "cheaters" get in, whether convicted or not.  Let's just say they're guilty.  Even if we don't really know.  And furthermore, let's not count any of the stats in any of the games from 1988-2003 because we don't know who was juicing.  David Cone's perfect game?  Gone.  David Wells's?  Gone.  Clearly Wells was a juicer.  Otherwise, how could he play drunk?  

Unless the Hall of Fame is about what really happened (i.e. the performance on the field), it is bull.  Make a whole exhibit about the steroid users.  Put a big fat asterisk on Bonds' and McGwire's records if you like.  But pretending they don't exist is just stupid.
The voters didn't vote him in because he was not man enough to address the issue of steroids. It takes more than just performance on the field. You're a sports writer? Give me a break.
It is ashame he used PES.  It really is.  I don't aprove of it, and it set a poor example for impressionable kids.  The real shame is that he was a HOF'er without the drugs.  He was going to hit 45 to 50 a year, regardless.  Just look what he did his rookie year.  49 homers, and he looked like Dave Kingman, skinny as could be.  

Same goes for Bonds.  He did not need them, and was a shoo in for the HOF.  Now, his legacy is tainted, all because he was pissed off by being overshadowed by Sosa and McGwire.  Let's move on.  Cheating can't be rewarded, even if the numbers are in the stratosphere....
Ted, you've misstated the argument about the distinction between McGwire and Bonds.  The allegations of McGwire's drug use go back almost to his rookie year, tainting all of his records.  The Bonds allegations don't begin until he'd been in the majors for about 15 years and already put up Hall of Fame numbers.  I'm not saying I buy the argument, but it makes more sense than you have seen fit to give it.  If it was simply about "cheating," of course you'd be correct.
I guess by the author's same logic as to Mark McGuire, Marion Jones should be given her Olympic medals back, too!!!!

Neither McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmeiro nor Clemens belong in the HOF.  They all cheated.
LOL Yea right he cheated. Sorry folks I agree with the writer on this one. The guy put up huge numbers early in his career. The people who think bonds isn't a cheater needs to wake up. That guy went from 175 ponds to 245 and built like a BSH. Mark was responsible for the resurgence of baseball after the strike. If for any reason at all he should be in the hall just for that. Because with out him and Sosa baseball would still be trying to fill stadiums.
Just how hypocritical are the sportwriters and fans in this country? We all sat there during the roid years and cheered the home runs and pitching duels, knowing full well that steroids were being used. As long as the home runs sailed out and the pitchers threw strikes--and the money came in--nobody cared. And then we turn around and say shame to a situation we encouraged? What gives us the right now to be moral arbiters? And why should McGwire be the whipping boy? This is a man who almost single-handedly saved baseball. Or don't you remember that after the players' strike it was the summer of McGwire-Sosa that brought the fans back? I agree with everything Mr. Robinson says. McGwire belongs in the HOF. He played in a time when everyone blithely ignored the rampant use of steroids in baseball, against players who were using(and, as Mr. Robinson said, he still hasn't been named in any investigation, except for that bottle of legal, OTC andro). Even if he did use, if you keep him out, you'd better darn well keep out every player who has actually been named and/or indicted. Come to think of it, keep everybody out. If we've convicted McGwire on what little evidence we have, how do we know every other player wasn't using, too? And if you keep them out, throw out every other player who had a questionable past. In fact, close the HOF entirely. AFter all, we can never be sure again.
Why don’t we just close the HOF. I am sure that most if not all who wrote a  COMMENT never played baseball  or a real sport . McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa all should be in the HOF. I will say what I always tell people about baseball NO MATTER HOW BIG YOU ARE IF YOUCAN’T HIT A BASEBALL < THEN YOUCAN’T HIT A BASEBALL. I am sure that if you go through the HOF most of the players in there would not be there .

No Pete Rose no Mark McGwire, end of discussion.
I hate to rain on all you hater's parades but the HOF is already full of cheaters, they just didn't use steroids.  Spitballers, corked bat users, mega amphetemine users.  The problem with Bonds, Sosa and McGuire is that they cheated in the in your face media era so they're cheating was there for millions and millions to see.  And what's really chaps my rear is that major leage baseball allowed all of this to happen and just turned their head the other way and now they want to go after all of them in some sort of witch hunt to make themselves look good.
McGwire deserves to be in the HOF.  Looking back, baseball was going through a tough time getting fans back.  McGwire, Sosa and Bonds helped put fans in the seats and money in peoples pockets.  You can't for one moment really think that people DIDN'T know what was going on can you????  Money was being made and everyone turned away, INCLUDING fans.  How many Sport Center cut ins did we see when McGwire and Sosa were chasing 61?  As a fan, can you really say that you didn't think that they were using something?  But still we were captivated.  Another point is that if you really believe that they were the only ones doing it then you are sadly mistaken.  Pitchers were using as well, its just not talked about the same.  So, you had pitchers using, hitters using and McGwire still did what he did.  The whole era was tainted.  If we don't put McGwire in, then A-Rod, Jeter, and a whole host of others shouldn't get in as well because can we say that we definatevly know if they were using?
How boneheaded are you people?  At the time he took the stuff it was not a banned substance.  You want to punish a person retroactively ( look it up. ).
Let me put it this way - if they decide today to place chewing tobacco on the banned substance list - does that mean that the record of every player who has chewed tobacco should be marked with an asterisk?
Get it into your skulls - what he did was not illegal at that time.
This does not justify his actions, but it certainly should not be used against him.
Talk about raw deals.  You're too young to remember Roger Maris.  He held the major league home run record longer than Babe Ruth!
You miss the point of his dominating that one offensive dimension.  He was cheating and using drugs to achieve those fantastic numbers like Sosa and Bonds who you reference.

Do we reward dopers and cheaters into the hall of fame.
Look at all the people so quick to say 'we know he cheated'...  How?  How do you know that?  Did you read the article?  Are you dealing with facts here?

The facts are real simple:  even if McGwire was using steroids - which has never been proven - steroids WERE NOT AGAINST THE RULES OF MLB AT THE TIME.

So, you want to ban someone for excelling at their sport who didn't break any of the rules?  HOW IS THAT CHEATING!

Does one person who posted that McGwire cheated have any evidence of this whatsoever, or are they just judgemental losers who wouldn't want anyone scouring their personal lives?
whether McGwire should or shouldn't be "in" will be debated every year.
What has always irked me is that the "twits" in the sports writers club, has much too much power in deciding who does or doesn't belong.
This very prestigious award should be left to the fans, and the powers that be in major league baseball.
The writers seem to place their personal biases ahead of any rational, objective criteria.
McGwire, Bonds, and Clemens were drug using cheaters plain and simple.  They deserve neither fan respect nor enshrinment in the HOF.  The three of them only deserve scorn and public humiliation just like the Black Sox of old.
Everyone keeps mentioning that McGwire cheated.  I want to know how it is cheating when it was NOT against the rules?  It was perfectly legal, maybe a morale or ethical issue, but not illegal.  Is it cheating for an accountant to use a calculator?
Robinson,

Two points:

1. Taka a stand and cast votes. That's part of your function. You can't abdicate control of that power and then have the bag to write articles like this. It affects your credibility;

2. So your logic is: McGuire should get in to the HOF because compared tohis peers, he was the best cheater of all the cheaters in his era. Don't forget the asterisk!!!!!

Mic
McGwire gets what he deserves. He used performance enhancing substances so let one of the supplement stores put him in their hall of fame, not baseballs.
Sorry, but you're way off base on this one-McGwire WAS one-dimensional-he didn't run bases ( steal ) well, he didn't field particularly well, his arm was average and he didn't hit for average..what's left ? oh yea, his home runs...( a 5-tool player he wasn't )well, then let's also vote Dave Kingman in since he hit lots of home runs too !
( and by the way, that's the stats argument against his inclusion-i also oppose him because he WAS a cheat and i oppose all the others who cheated as well ).
The problem with McGwire is that his numbers were beefed up after we suspected him of doing Steroids.  Bonds atleast had a HOF career before he started doing Steroids, so you can make a case that he was always a HOF'er.  McGwire had some lean years in the early 90's of injuries, as his numbers dipped after the A's traded Canseco.  McGwire revitalized his career after he started juicing in the mid 90's, and I believe if he stayed clean, he would have been a bubble HOF'er.  He probably would have retired in the 400's of HR's instead of 583, and because he didn't hit for average, and was just a HR hitter, he would have fallen short for the HOF.
McGwire was a quality player before taking andro (and while he was taking andro it was not illegal) --- he should be in the Hall.  However, for not coming clean, he should be forced to wait.
No way, no how, not now, not ever, does McGwire deserve to be in the HOF. Bonds, Clemens, and others in that boat deserve the same also. The HOF is for players who made a POSITIVE mark on the game of baseball and amintained it's integrity. None of the aforementioned did that. They brought shame & disgrace. It's the "HALL OF FAME", not "HALL OF SHAME".
NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT STEROIDS WHEN BASEBALL WAS ON THE BRINK OF OBLIVION AFTER THE HORRENDOUS STRIKE OF 1994, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OWNERS STEPPING UP TO TEST PLAYERS BECAUSE EVERYONE YES , EVERYONE WAS MAKING MONEY THE STADIUMS WERE BEING PACKED BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE HOME RUNS HIT...I MYSELF(BARRY BONDS'FAN) WENT TO A LOT OF GAMES NOT TO SEE A NO HITTER PITCHED BUT TO SEE BARRY BONDS AND ANY OTHER PLAYER PUT ONE IN THE SEATS. I SAY LET ANY PERSON WITHOUT WRONG OR CHEATING IN THEIR PAST THROW THE FIRST STONE HERE. DO I THINK PETE ROSE SHOULD IN THE HALL OF FAME ? YOU DAMN RIGHT HE SHOULD! I THINK HE SHOULD BE JUDGED BY HIS PLAYING BETWEEN THE LINES OF THE DIAMOND NOT WHAT HE DID OFF THE FIELD. IT'S A SHAME THAT ONLY NOW AFTER THE DANGER IS PAST , THAT BASEBALL IS POINTING FINGERS AND TEARING DOWN THE PLAYERS THAT IN MY OPINION SAVED THE GAME FROM BECOMING AN HISTORICAL FOOTNOTE.
Excuse me, but not one of you have any evidence that Mark McGwire cheated.  Remember, in this country it is innocent until proven guilty.  Just because he chose not to answer questions from a self serving congressional committee does not mean he cheated.  And by the way steroids were NOT against baseball rules when Mark was playing.  He absolutely belongs in the hall of fame and any baseball writer who does not vote for him should not have a vote.  
Jim brings up a good point about athletes in other sports being stripped of medals(Olympic Champions) and trophies(the recent Tour De France Champion who's name slips my mind right now). Anyone who uses drugs should not be allowed to even be on the ballot. It bring disgrace and dishonor to the sport and shows the youth of this and other countries a bad example. Evryone knows how the youth look up to sports figures. One more thought, any artifacts in the HOF should have a BIG asterik next the item if the record is tainted with drugs. If the athlete has a problem with that, either take your s**t back and put it in your own house to remind yourself of what you did to the sport or DEAL with it.
The thing I have to get over is...what do you say the average age of hero-worshipping little leaguer is? 9? We'll say 9. So that 9-yr. old sees the 1998 season with McGwire/Sosa and finds who he wants his hero to be, who he looks up to. Now 8, 9 years later when he's 16, he sees his hero retired and in a courtroom backing away from anything that incriminates him from cheating. That average easily influenced 16 year old has his hero process shattered. And that ruins the spark he has for baseball. Forever. I don't want the person that caused that kind of soul crushing to be glorified among his peers. I respect the voters in taking votes away from him this year. It was shameful. Congratulations HOF board, you got it right this year. Except for Blyleven. Different article though.
gaylord perry cheated.  bob gibson cheated.  bob feller cheated.  rickey henderson stole signs.  why is it okay for these guys to be in but not mcgwire?  you can argue that doing steroids, "alledgedly" i might add, would give him an unfair advantage, but wasn't that also the point of the spitball?  

people need to get out of their ivory towers and take a look at the era he played in.
HE SAVED BASEBALL.  I dont care what anyone else says, ok he took some supplements that got him big.  He still needed to catch up with a 95 mph fastball.  Baseball was going down until him and Sosa had their homerun battle and got fans excited about the game.  He should be in, hands down!
We live in a world where men take pills for E. D. Men and women have surgery for cosmetic reasons. When McGwire played the substances he is accused of using were legal. All of the holier that thou types need to get over it. McGwire and Rose deserve to be in the HOF. Rose for is play on the field not for what he did later as a manager. McGwire and Sosa for bringing interest back to baseball with their home run derby.
Any player caught using a performance enhancing drug or chemical, whether just baseball illegal or government illegal, should be banned from the hall. What's next all the gamblers black listed be let in too?
Ok, so let's get this straight.  Mark is labeled a cheater because he used andro before it became illegal to use it.  Because of this, he is not HOF material.  Let's break it down further and include different sports:

NASCAR - drivers and mechanics modified parts of their cars to give themselves a better shot at winning!  Then, NASCAR made certain changes illegal.  Now, does that put an asterisk by that driver's name because they did something that was legal but then wasn't?  Does that take them out of the "NASCAR HOF"?

Football - Using pine sap, or other sticky material, to help receivers catch the ball.  Once was legal, now is not.  Does this mean that any "HOF" players that used it when it was legal should have their "HOF" status revoked, or should not have been invited into the HOF in the first place?

Let's get real people.  Mark was one of the players that gave the "America's Game" its attentance and viewership back after the strike.  Yes, we are a society of short-term memories, unless it involves something that someone did that was legal when they did it and was outlawed afterwards.  Put Mark in the HOF.  He did more for baseball than most of the recent inductees.

And again, this shows that people that have never lived-up to the successes of others are the first ones to criticize them.  Let's all try to strive to more successful then we are, then maybe we'll earn the right to "dis" someone when they do something wrong (but only after it is found to be wrong, not before then).
McGwire was Dave Kingman on steroids.  He was terrible defensively and couldn't do anything but hit a home run or strike out.  Even without the steroids, I don't think he is a HOF.  His game was woefully incomplete.  Say what you will about Bonds, but he was a HOF without steroids -- he could do it all.  McGwire, not so much.  
Of course he deserves to be the hall of fame. So does Rose by the way. McGwire played in the "steroid era" where many players,pitchers,etc. were juiced. Who knows how many or to what extent. Some may even be elected someday. During this era MM excelled with Hall Of Fame performance. Baseball in effect turned a blind eye to the juicing because of $. Got it.
The whole era is "tainted" but the players in it don't deserve punishment now they needed to fix things than. They didn't!
Since its impossible to know who did or didn't juice treat it as though they played within an unfortunate era and yes some[MM] were the best of that lot. Take the emotion out of it.
Boy there are a lot of angry fans responding that McGwire cheated and blah blah blah, should never be allowed in the hall.
I have news for these moral stalwarts whom obey every rule.
Everyone of the top players from that era used performance enhancers of some kind.  Amino acids, creatine, performance whey; hello they're all designed to enhance performance.  So some are legal some are not,  McGwire and Sosa's HR battle rejuvenated a declining sport, made it fun to watch again.  
Everyone was cheating, the playing field was level McGwire stood out as one of the best of his era and deserves to be in the hall.  He dominated the game and was a guy your pitching staff had to have a plan to pitch to him.
Baseball fans are so ridiculous when it comes to this, and their precious numbers. If you really care about the game, get off this steroid crap and start talking about why there are no daytime world series games and why playoff games don't start until 8:30pm when the average regular season game starts at 7:05.  they've missed a whole generation of fans by grabbing the tv revenue and forsaking the fan.
McGuire was a one trick pony, just like Dave Kingman. Low lifetime batting average, no defense, low lifetime RBI totals and STEROID use kill his chances. There are plenty of deserving players who are on the outside looking in like Gil Hodges, Andre Dawson, Blyleven, Kaat and others. Stop thinking about Mcguire, Bonds, Sosa, Palmeiro and all the other juicers. They simply don't deserve consideration for the Baseball Hall Of Fame!
STEROIDS DON'T MAKE YOU A BETTER BASEBALL PLAYER....McGUIRE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME
+ 1 for no McGwire till Charlie Hustle gets in and since that will never happen....
McGuire disgraced the game. Period.

See Pete Rose.
I may be biased because I am a Cardinal fan and I loved watching McGwire, but in the USA, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty.  There is no one....I repeat no one trying to go after him for steroids, so we have no proof he ever did take them.  Look, they are after Bonds and now Clemens.  Until you can put the proof that McGwire took ILLEGAL steroids out there....he deserves to be in the HOF.  
Well written, but way off the mark.  Bottom line - HE CHEATED!  So he should obviously NOT be rewarded for it.  His numbers are artificial.  Same goes for Bonds, Sosa, and yes, Clemmons!
McGwire, Bonds & Sosa - none deserve the Hall. They cheated while others didn't. Take players like Thome, Biggio & Griffey, who played with natural talent. And that Bonds argument about "he should get in based on what he did before he cheated" doesn't hold water either. I give you Pete Rose.


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