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Robinson called the play-by-play on NBC's Major League Baseball Game of the Week telecasts from 1986-89. Additionally, he has done play-by-play for the Minnesota Twins, San Francisco Giants, and New York Mets. Since 2000 Robinson has provided play-by-play for NBC Sports on the French Open and Wimbledon. He also previously served in that role at the U.S. Open for USA Network. Robinson is also the play-by-play voice of the San Francisco 49ers on KNBR.



The ripple effect of Mussina’s retirement

Posted: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:28 PM

Nothing major has happened in the first week of free agency. Mark Teixeira was on the Georgia Tech sideline Thursday night for the Yellow Jackets win over Miami and when interviewed he said his signing process will take several more weeks.

Elsewhere, the retirement of Mike Mussina could prove an added financial windfall for free agents CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe. All three are targets of the Yankees. Having lost Mussina, the Yankees now need to sign two of the aforementioned trio of starters to fulfill their stated offseason goal of bolstering their rotation.

 

Sabathia has already been presented with an extremely lucrative offer by the Yankees – one that reportedly would exceed Johan Santana’s $137.5 million, six-year contract with the New York Mets both in total and average per year.

Expect huge offers to Burnett and Lowe from the Yankees -- a team that an AL general manager said can only “be held back by its conscience. If they want, they could add $100 million in salaries for this year.”

Hal Steinbrenner became the controlling owner Thursday. Word is that Hal the Silent agrees with Brian Cashman’s view of building a farm system to augment the free-agent signings. Hank the Loud, Hal’s brother, advocates going for the big names. Over the next month, we should see clear evidence of which approach prevails.

Word is leaking that, as predicted here, the Giants will try to sell Sabathia, a Bay Area native, on coming home. But can a team already saddled with Barry Zito’s deal, outbid the Yankees?

Burnett and Lowe are in the enviable position of waiting for Sabathia’s decision and allowing the “losers” to romance them.

 

Mussina’s decision is only surprising in an era where most players chase milestones. For Mussina, he retires at 270 wins, unwilling to commit to three more years, the number he regarded as realistic to reach 300 wins.

 

Should his Hall of Fame candidacy be impacted by this decision? I think not but have read several voter remarks that place Mussina as a strong but not definite inductee.

Mussina’s career goes back to the debate held in this space over the last week -- namely, how much do we value someone who simply wins?

Admittedly presented in isolation, consider these career winning percentages: Phil Niekro .537, Don Sutton .559, Nolan Ryan  .526, Gaylord Perry .542 and Robin Roberts .539.

 

All are in the Hall of Fame and none created much angst because all but Roberts reached 300 wins. Thirty wins shy of that mark is Mussina, whose career winning percentage is .638.

 

I wondered about the great Juan Marichal, a Hall of Famer who never earned his proper accolades during a career overshadowed by Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Bob Gibson and Tom Seaver. Marichal won 243 games with a winning percentage of .631. His ERA was decidedly lower than Mussina (2.89 to 3.68) but ballparks and BALCO have to be factored into that difference.

 

In no way is this meant to equate Mussina to Marichal -- the eras are too different. Rather the point is simply to explore the concept of a starter winning games. Marichal was rewarded for that. Will that also be the case with Mussina?

 

FIVE MORE SWINGS:

1. WHEN I HEARD ABOUT CHASE UTLEY’S…hip problem, I immediately wondered “why the wait?” There must be a medical reason for a delay of nearly four weeks between the Phils’ last game and a surgery that may sideline a key player until June.

 

Besides getting Utley back healthy, the Phils have another issue to watch in 2009: Will Cole Hamels be this year’s Josh Beckett? Think about this: The Phils clinched a playoff spot on Saturday of the last weekend of the regular season, allowing them to rest Hamels and have him pitch Game 1 of the LDS, a feat he repeated in the LCS and World Series. He pitched 262 innings this year, a whopping number in this era, and the last 35 were in postseason pressure. Beckett never rebounded from the lead role he played in Boston’s 2007 title run and his inning total (230, 30 of those in the postseason) was significantly lower than that of Hamels.

 

2. MORE ON TIM LINCECUM…as I talked with Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti this week and he emphasized that Lincecum “would have been crushed if we would have shut him down” in the final week, especially when the Giants played the Dodgers. Righetti confirmed that the innings and pitch count run up in the final two months is more concern to people like me than to Lincecum. He was strong and never once altered his delivery.

 

3. A RULE CHANGE THAT GUARANTEES…full length postseason games was officially announced by MLB commissioner Bud Selig. But why is the All-Star Game included? No matter how hard everyone tries to legitimize this game, it is still an exhibition.

 

4. FREE AGENT RAFAEL FURCAL…continues to attract more interest than I would have predicted. Turns out more teams have a need for his leadoff skills and Furcal’s rank does not warrant draft pick compensation. So it looks like he may land a three or four year deal despite missing most of the 2008 season.

5. AARON HEILMAN…needs to get out of New York. He was mercilessly booed by Mets fans for most of 2008 and New Yorkers don’t easily forgive or forget. Heilman’s agent says the pitcher wants to be a starter, affording the Mets a nice escape hatch to use in dealing Heilman for a reliever.

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As a believer that the Hall of Fame should be reserved for the truly great, as opposed to merely the very good, I don't think Mike Mussina is a HOF'er. In my opinion, there are only two criteria to get into the Hall: 1. Does he have overwhelming lifetime numbers?, or 2. Did he dominate his era?

Mike Mussina was a very good pitcher for a number of years, but you can't truthfully answer "yes" to either question.

Ted, you mentioned Juan Marichal. It's true he was overshadowed in the media by some of the greatest names ever to grab a baseball -- Koufax, Seaver, and the rest -- but there was never any doubt about his greatness, nor was there debate about his worthiness for the Hall. If nothing else, that's the difference between him and Mike Mussina.
I believe anyone of a certain age that has seen Mussina pitch can agree that he was a very good pitcher, but a guy who doesn't win 20 until his final year raises a lot of questions.  You choose to compare him to Juan Marichal, but why not compare him to a guy that should be in the Hall of Fame, but is not--Jack Morris.

Watching Mussina pitch in Baltimore, I would describe him as your prototypical smart, modern "professional" baseball player.  I stress professional, because that really sums up Mussina--His decisions always seemed to tilt in the interest of his overall career and after all who can blame him--but that is one of the reasons he didn't see 20 wins until his final year.  He is a guy who wouldn't pitch unless he felt exactly right--there's no Denny McClain in Mussina--and Mussina has had a long successful career as a result.  Yet consider whether Mussina, who in my mind proved himself to be an excellent #2 pitcher--being a #1 and all that went with it was never in his makeup--note: Baltimore.  Consider one of the great #2 clutch performances of all time by a guy who will never be considered for the Hall--Mickey Lolich.  He was not only the only lefty to complete 3 World Series starts/wins, but to come back and beat Bob Gibson, arguably the best pitcher of the time, with a complete game on only two days rest after Game 5 is something that Mussina would have never even contemplated--because it might have compromised his career.  Lolich has the most strikeouts by an American league left-handed pitcher in history--500 more than future HOF fireballer Randy Johnson.  Yet, Mickey Lolich will never be in the Hall of Fame.

Now consider Jack Morris.  The winningest pitcher in all of baseball during the 80s.  #1 pitcher on three World Series champions and part of a fourth.  14 consecutive opening day starts--a real big game pitcher, stats be damned.  Morris was effective.  Mussina was never really considered an effective big game pitcher in Baltimore--fans always questioned his overall tenacity.  Which brings me back to the idea of "Professional."  Mussina had a long, very successful career reinforced by superior stats--but was he ever special by HOF standands?  Not really in my book--especially if spectacular performers like Jack Morris and Mickey Lolich don't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.


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