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How Manny, Joe turned Dodgers into winners

Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:18 PM

Baseball's greatest moment this October would be Manny Ramirez playing in the World Series as a Dodger in Fenway Park. It couldn’t get any better than that. The Manny-Red Sox Nation dynamic would be juicy and riveting to watch. And it could happen.

 

On Aug. 1, this possibility seemed ludicrous. Today, it's real. It’s hard to look at the National League Championship Series without seeing the Dodgers as slight favorites over the Philadelphia Phillies, and the Boston Red Sox's experience gives them an even slimmer edge on the Tampa Bay Rays in the American League Championship Series.

 

Ramirez, traded in late July from the Red Sox to the Dodgers, could be headed for two World Series shares. It's a question he posed recently to the L.A. Times, just another instance of Manny being Manny.

 

And how are the Dodgers, a .500 team for much of the regular season, in this position? Has Ramirez put them four victories away from the World Series?

 

It's interesting that despite Manny’s tremendous numbers following the trade, the Dodgers were 11-16 in their first month with him in uniform. They stood five games under .500 on the morning of Aug. 30. There was no reasonable way to think they were headed for the playoffs.

 

Here’s what grabs your attention: last year’s Dodger team disintegrated under the weight of a split clubhouse, veterans against upstart kids. This year’s team gelled in September. Who were the different personalities? Someone please call the Yankees and remind them about the manager they let walk away after last season after an insulting contract offer and subtly trashed on his way out the door. Yes, Joe Torre succeeded where Grady Little failed. He kept his team together.

 

The other difference? Ramirez.

 

That’s right. On Andre Ethier's blog post last week on the Dodgers’ Web site, he wroter, “When Manny’s happy, everyone’s happy.” And Manny has been smiling, both on the field and off the field, where he has been by all accounts a positive presence for his new teammates. His locker was placed in the middle of the clubhouse and he has built a bridge to players in their 40s and young pups like 20-year-old Clayton Kershaw.

 

Two personal observations: Covering the Red Sox in the 2007 ALDS series as someone who had spent many years in the NL, I was struck by the camaraderie between Ramirez, who was still happy in Boston back them, and his teammates. I visited the Dodger clubhouse in late July of this year and would not describe it as overflowing with peace and love.

 

Now none of this changes the distasteful way in which Manny and his agent Scott Boras engineered his Boston exit. Which raises another intriguing point? Last weekend, MLB commissioner Bud Selig, following the lead of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, warned his owners about their fiscal practices during this chaotic economic time. On the same weekend, Manny is quoted in the L.A. Times as telling Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti in a victory celebration that a new five-year deal would work for him. Inference here: there is a good deal of truth in Manny’s claim.

 

Who will give a 37-year-old hitter a five-year contract? Manny is within reason to ask that based on some of the mega deals of the last few years. Then again, that’s when we all had viable banks.

 

FIVE MORE SWINGS:

 

1. INTERESTING STATEMENT BY THE METS…on the relative value of management positions. Following another excruciating miss at making the playoffs, general manager Omar Minaya was given three additional guaranteed seasons in a new contract that runs through 2012. It includes club options covering 2013 and 2014. In contrast, manager Jerry Manuel, who replaced Willie Randolph in June, was given a two-year contract that includes a club option for 2011.

2. IN THE BRONX…general manager Brian Cashman signed a new deal to remain with the Yankees. Part of the 2008 “collapse” was rooted in the lack of production from the young arms Cashman would not trade last winter (Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy). But then Cashman looks at Boston and sees Jon Lester, an afterthought in last year’s postseason, become a stud in these playoffs. He sees Justin Masterson, a minor-leaguer last year, working as Jonathan Papelbon’s setup man this year. And he sees young position players Jed Lowrie, Jacoby Ellsbury and Dustin Pedroia playing key roles. Cashman knows where the Red Sox are is where the Yankees must continue to head.

3. THE ANGELS WERE SHOCKED…by their ALDS loss to Boston. They say they knew they were the better team. I know AL officials who feel the same way but the Angels never showed that on the field. They made horrid defensive mistakes: the three-run pop up that dropped in shallow centerfield in Game 3 and two crucial plays not made in the last of the ninth of Game 4 -- Reggie Willits’ ill-advised dive played Jason Bay’s leadoff bloop into a double and Howie Kendrick’s lack of range allowed Jed Lowrie’s grounder to reach right field and become the game-winning hit.

Then there was the hitting: Vladimir Guerrero, Mark Teixeira and Torii Hunter had 21 hits in the four games -- 20 singles and one double. The Angels had no pop and they are now just like the Texas Rangers of the late 1990s against the Yankees -- a good team that couldn’t beat one nemesis of an opponent in a short series.

4. IS THIS THE CLEMENS TREND? Curt Schilling says he could pitch a half season in 2009. I guess Roger Clemens would like to be remembered for something other than his ill-advised fight with Brian McNamee.

5. REMEMBER THAT THIS BLOG RAILS ABOUT HITTING IN THE POSTSEASON…and Cubs manager Lou Piniella seems to be a believer. His comment after the shockingly quick end to the Cubs season in the NLDS: “This is six games that I’ve managed here in the postseason and we’ve scored 12 runs.” No pitching, defense, pressure or curse comments from the skipper, just his bemoaning his club’s lack of hitting.

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Tail wags dog.

Manny's behavior was worse than anything Pete Rose ever did. He deliberately dogged it, affecting the outcomes of games. Watch the clip of him taking three straight strikes from Mariano when sent to pinch hit in the ninth of a one run game. He faked injury and missed games in the heat of a pennant race. He did all this for personal gain.

Now, he has affected 2 pennant races and yet stands to be compensated from both teams. Where is the Commisioner? Ramirez should have been fined and suspended for the remainder of the season, for the good of baseball. Instead he is rewarded for making a mockery of it.

So much for the integrity of the game.
Uhh - "heat of a pennant race"?!  manny did get traded with two months left in the season, correct.  And he did hit .300 with 20 homers for the BoSox - correct.  And he was playing every day when Ortiz was out with his injusrym=, thereby keeping the Red Sox in first place, correct?  Just asking...
Good luck to the Dodgers, Manny Ramirez is an arrogant putz. He deliberately let down his own teammates all for the sake of his agent and his money grubbing hands. I highly doubt that during these economic times an owner will pay him the outrageous salary he wants at almost 38 years old.
If the Dodgers know whats good for them they will use that pc of garbage for the series then tell him to take a hike. Or they will be spending a kajillion bucks on a whining, overpaid, clubhouse distraction.
Wait until he just doesnt feel like playing! good riddance Manny, Jason Bay is a much more likable player and he gives 100% all the time, oh! and he can catch a fly ball too.
Lots of people have taken 3 straight strikes from the King of closers. Get over it and stop hating.
Don't hate Dodgers came up!!! It's just Manny being Manny.
Manny is a "Shoeless Joe" disgrace to the game of baseball.  Just makes me hope for a Dodgers/Red Sox world series- Manny's reception in Boston will make PAyRod's return to Seattle look like a hero's ticker-tape parade (except I'd hate to see Torre managing the NL all-stars next year).
The integrity of the game was lost the day Arod inked a $250 million dollar deal.  Baseball will never get back to the glory days.  Most players only care about one thing $$$$$$  Forget the concept of team.  Most are out for "I".  Do not get me wrong, I love this game and enjoy watching the yankees go down the toliet.  It is good to know that steinbrenner and his deep packets have spent over a billion dollars since his last WS win.  Baseball has lost its "Past time of America" feel.  Multi-million dollar contracts, egos, and moving stadiums have taken this great game and turned it in to something one would expect to be traded on Wall Street.  Hats off to teams like Boston who have players who give back to their fans in the form of charities and other fund raisers.  Shame on the players who forget that without fans, they do not have their million dollar contacts.  


History is what made this game great, and without significant changes, this game will become nothing more than history.  A note for the players.  It is not about the money, it is about playing for the love of the game.  Do not forget why you first played the game.  Manny....yes you are a great player, but you are also a spoiled brat.  Steinbrenner, it is obvious you cannot buy a win, so quit trying.  

I will end my speech with one final thought.

"The one constant through all the years, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game..it's a part of our past."
Any team that would give Manny a multiple year deal deserves what happens to them. He quit on his teammates in Boston in order to force the team to trade him. This was because he did not want to honor the $20 million a year options in his contract. Let me repeat that, he quit on his teammates in the middle of a pennant race because he thought his contract that he signed for $20 million next year wasn't enough and he didn't want to honor it. He then faked injuries and blew games to force his way off the team. The only reason he's playing hard in LA is to get a new contract, once he has it all bets are off.

With his history, anyone who would sign him to more than a single year contract is a sucker.
Hey good luck with Manny! And your right, things are great when Manny"s happy. Wait till you get a full season of his antics, Manny being Manny was nice way of gripping with his childish antics, showing up late for spring training, fake injuries, blowing easy plays, forgeting how many were out while on base. Give him a 5 year contract and he has you right where he wants you. Good luck!!
Spoken like a true Bostonian.
"Worse than anything Pete Rose ever did"?  Hey, in the Majors you can drink (Grove Alexander), do drugs (Steve Howe), lots of things.  The ONE and ONLY thing you can't do is bet on baseball.  That's it.  Is that too much to ask? Apparently, according to Pete Rose apologists.  And you still sound Bostonian
I totally agree with the "Tail wags dog". Pete Rose will forever be remembered as Mr. Hussle. I'd rather see him in the Hall of Fame than Ramirez.

They both deserve it based on numbers, stats, etc.. But, Ramirez desire for personal gain undermined the very team he was suppose to support. "I want a new contract, now or I won't hit, play, or hussle", seems to be Manny's manipulative use of his skills on a team.

And, if you doesn't think so, just wait till he doesn't have a reason to prove himself and has a multi year contract. you'll see the same attitude blossom like that of his final days in Boston.

I think the Commissioner should have done something sooner as well. If anyone hires this guy for more than a year at a time, they'd be foolish. I'd rather have Barry Bonds, who seems to be trying to make good on his mistakes, than Ramirez who seems to enjoy manipulating his contracts more than supporting his team. Boston should have never tolerated his antics to begin with, but hindsight is 20/20.
manny is at home now,,  so quit your crying
You're smoking crack. Joe Torre is THE reason the Dodgers are where they are today. How many world championships does Joe have anyways? Geez. Ramirez is just another punk slugger. Remember Miracle on Ice? It doesn't take big names, it takes a coach that can motivate and keep a team on track and together.
Go DODGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOHOO! =)

XoXo

Fan
Manny is NOT the whole team!!!

Give credit the to rest of the team and stop making one person on the team as the SUPER STAR!!
Manny was all smiles for a couple of years in Boston.  Just wait LA, just wait.
your a hater... how about enjoying the game, plus you can't honestly believe he would ever get fined.  Robert D.... Grow up!!
lets go phillies
Good for them. When Manny was in Boston he was a superstar but once he got disenchanted he was not playing his best and it was obvious. We will always be grateful for what he brought to Boston. Now it is LA's turn to see how great he can be. God love him.
Manny's is just like any other baseball player, Manny does not care if he wins or loses, but as long as he gets paid!
Even though "Torre's Dodgers" are in the playoffs, the Yankees with all of their injuries still had a better winning percentage than L.A. with their new manager. I'm not saying the Yanks should have made the playoffs, but a team barely over .500 is there only by a fluke.
I would love to see th Dodgers win the series. I`m a Yankefan but I`m rooting for Joe Torre. I didnot like the way he was excluded from the cereonies at Yankee stadium. He did a lot for Steinbrenner and he deserved muchbetter. Even Willy Randolph was there and Stotelmeyer should hac-ve been there too. Both Torre and Stotlemeyer were battling cancer. They deserved a lot of respect.
Manny looks like a slob and does not respect the game.
Joe Torre is the key.  He was able to accomplish, with Manny, what the Red Sox management couldn't.  The Dodgers will use Boston's lessons learned and keep ManRam financially motivated for at least the next three years.
Manny's captured the old Brooklyn Dodgers spirit and I say let the Red Sox eat cake.  Some people and fans think they can treat some people anyway they want to, like they did Jackie Robinson.    They dogged Manny in Boston, it's always amazing and great to see the bottom on top, Go Manny, Go Dodgers!
Manny has certainly been a boon for the Dodgers and I hope that I get to cheer on the Dodgers as they win a much delayed World Series.  I was kind of worried that if there were a Freeway Series between the Dodgers and the Angels that Southern California might suffer a huge earthquake before game 1, as happened over 20 years ago in the Bay Area.
Go Manny!
Go Dodgers!

  You are absolutly right. Like a spoiled child, he refused to do his job when he didn't get what he wanted. Not only did he dog it and fake injury and refuse to play, he pushes old men to the ground and backhands his teammates in the dugout. Three days after being traded, he goes on a hitting tear? Hey, I thought you were hurt. He also refused to visit Walter Reed Medical Center and snubs the children from Dana Farbor Cancer Institute who want to meet him. Dispite being a hitting machine (when he feels like it) this guy is a joke. This guy is no hero and the media should not portray him as one. He will soon be a severe headache for some other poor team who pays him an obscene amount of money.
I think that if goes to the playoffs redsox, dodgers . That when the Dodgers ,come to Boston Manny should be walked and never get a hit ever in Boston again .
Who knows what went on behind closed doors between Manny and Boston RS management.   As a fan, I kind of like to see Manny in a game; he has skills, talent and charisma.  Sort of like Reggie Jackson, Billy Martin, Vince Skully, Yogi and a few others.  There are many that have superior baseball skills but only a rare few that have the special charisma that sets them apart.  Barry didn't and doesn't have it.  Management has to recognize these assets and manage accordingly.  I don't mean coddle the person but recognize it and make the adjustments.  Torre has and is reaping the rewards.  I think sometimes a person reaches a limit of discontent and has to push the limits to get out of the situation.  BRS Management should have realized that Manny reached that limit and not put him in a situation where he displayed his displeasure and uacceptable conduct.  Players do sign a contract and should live to the expectations of the contact but in reality not everything works as desired.  I'm disappointed in the McCarver comments because Tim was never at the talent level as Manny nor in Manny's situation so his comments are irrelevent.  Just a has been trying to make the news.  I make these comments because I can't accept the facts that a malcontent such as Manny has been depicted can make a 180 degree turnabout and conduct himself as he is with the Dodgers.  It takes a team to make a team.  

The Manny move benefitted all parties involved and the fans are getting exciting baseball.  Isn't this what's it all about?
As a life long Red Sox fan of 50 years I can say lots about Manny. Selfish comes to mind. Here's a man/child who was paid $160 million over 7 years  which is $100k per game. What could he possibly complain about? The reporters ? Please! Boston fans are among the most loyal in all of sports. Manny was Havilcek, Orr, Yaz and more if he just played hard and lived up to his word ( which was signing a contract to play baseball). Instead he was a cancer that could only be excised a few times until it took over and killed the soul- those of the Boston Red Sox fan who paid dearly in terms of money and time. Mark my words, Manny will leave LA high and dry as soon as his contract negotiations start. Certainly his agent is hoping so that he can reap the benefits of a nice fee. Hello Yankees or Mets.....
Manny is lucky to have his career in baseball.  If he was a working man, he would have been fired years ago.  He should have also been suspended for pushing around an elderly man, but there again Manny gets off scott free.

Sorry, but doesn't it take more games than just the ones played in August and September to get into the playoffs?  The last thing that Manny needs is a bigger head and it looks as though the Dodgers were doing just fine before he came there.

There is NO "I" in TEAM and that is something Manny needs to remember.  I am sure all the players that worked hard all season for the Dodgers would appreciate some kudos.  Manny is not the only player on the team, but he always seems to make it as if he were.

GO RED SOX! These are Real Men who know how to play the game!!
I agree with those who say you can't know what happens in the clubhouse.  There is clearly two sides to the manny story and the truth is somewhere in between.  I also agree he doesn't make the dodgers winning team by himself:  Torre, casey blake and the "kids" have all contributed, at the right time, to put the dodgers where they are.  and it it not a fluke.  they are playing hard and winning at the right time.  more than the cubs can say, that's for sure,and they had an astounding winning record this year.  we'll see what happens.  don't waste your energy hating manny.  again, there's two sides to the story.  he's playing hard now.  
As a Dodger fan I say thank you Red Sox.  Manny has brought this team together and given us more than we could've ever hoped out of this season.  If he re signs, wonderful, if not, that's fine too.  The Dodgers see the difference with his bat in the lineup and their team will benefit from it now and in the future.
All spoken like the children you all must be.  "Manny didn't like me anymore, so I hate Manny... WAAAHHH!!!"  

And enough with the classic Boston, "All our old white guys never acted like that" crap.  Yes, of course Manny was a dog for what he did on the field in Boston.  So?  Get over it!  He'll probably be a dog in L.A. eventually too.  Have you never heard of Darryl Strawberry?  How about Dick Allen?  L.A. has had its share of malcontent ball players too.  

Boston loves Paul Pierce even after he makes death threats (remember throwing the gang signs?) to opposing players during a stupid GAME!  What does that say about YOU?  
Manny reacted to the managements promise of talking to him regarding a multiyear extension. Then they reneged and never did talk to him. It was a clash of egos. Management, while doing a great job on pr and park improvements, did not do a great job when it came to dealing with the understandably large ego of a superstar.
If they could have showed him the deference his talent and importance to the team merited he would still be in Boston. He was so much fun to watch Im sure the Dodgers will enjoy him. I still love the Red Sox but getting rid of Ramirez was reminiscent of getting rid of Babe Ruth
Kills me that some Boston fans can be so hypocritical.  The same ones bad mouthing Manny for "dogging the game" are certainly among the same fans on Randy's (Moss) jock - even after he has been accused of dogging it in two different cities.  Yes, two different sports - but both players have been accused of the same behavior.  If, as sox fans claim, Manny will eventually turn on the next team - when will Randy do the same in Boston?
Once the dust settles, and the pundits eat their words, and the know-all fans eat their hearts out, the truth will emerge. Meantime, am WATCHING DA GAME!
Kevin,
I'm also a Red Sox fan for 50+ years. Manny was one of the best to ever play for the Sox giving us untold exciting moments. Yes, he dogged it at times this year but I for one hold no ill feelings towards him. Let's not forget Boston won 2 world series with Manny,without him I doubt if that would have happened.

All I can say is: Best of luck to you Manny and thanks for the memories
To: O.K. Nygren, from Springfield, MA saying Barry Bonds signing would be better than Manny. You obviously have no idea what went on in San Francisco the last half dozen years. Barry is a much worse cancer than Manny could ever be. There's a reason nobody in baseball will sign him now and it's not all because of steroids either.

What's with your comment about Barry making good on his mistakes??? What has he done to make good? Nothing! Nobody has even approached him with offers for a contract. He's made statements, but those are just that, talk. If signed, he'll be the biggest clubhouse distraction in the game.

Regarding your comment that the Bosox never should have tolerated his antics in the first place, Manny was a key component of the Red Sox last two WS wins whether you want to acknowledge it or not. He and his bat made everyone else in the lineup that much better.
Who allowed Manny to  be Manny in Boston? Was his name Terry Francona? He didn't have the guts to stop Manny's so-called irrational behavior. All of a sudden, it became too much.  Sounds to me like Terry Francona might be the one who needs  to grow up and act like a man with his players. Joe Torre would not accept from day one the behavior Manny exhibited in Boston and, you had better believe, that Manny knew it. Hence his baseball skill was the only way to get attention.
Manny left the BoSox over management.  Management wasnt treating him right, and they made him feel like an outsider.  My stepdad is a huge redsox fan and we always get into it over Manny.  He claims it was his attitude, and I claim that it was managements stuck-up attitude.  Good luck to the Dodgers, and good luck to Manny.  Boston is too quick to judge and they will only boo and spit on Manny whenever he's in Boston next despite Manny's contributions to two world series.  They did the same thing with Johnny Damon.
I am glad Joe Torre is the winner in all this, you go Joe, you are the man, you deserve the best
Aren't the Dodgers pleased to know that they no longer need any other member of the team....Manny will save them all....what a rash
Apparently they've changed their name to Manny and the Dodgers.  They make it out like he single-handedly won the NLDS.  What was the name of the guy that hit the grand slam?  He's probably called "Manny's teammate" now.  And he couldn't have done it without Manny's presence.  Top of the 9th, 3-2 Phillies, 2 outs.  If they lose, will he have single-handedly lost the game?  
I usuallly give few Blogs a 1 or 2 minute scan,if any.
Most  of them I ignore.Being a Red Sox fan for 70 years and having my own Ups and Downs with Manny,I found both Robinson's Article and the Blogs most inter
-esting. Therefore I read every word in both !
Congratulations on a fine job!
Manny is 36, not 37.  And my hat off to Jag, because everything he said was true ... right down to the Tim McCarver comment. Manny was unhappy for a reason.  Reason(s) will never know about because none of us were behind those closed doors. I'm a diehard Boston fan but WE all know it was Manny's time to depart for the greater good.  Everyone is happy now and the fans here need to move on.  


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