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MSNBC.com baseball analyst Ted Robinson gives his take on the hits and misses by players, managers, umpires and owners in Major League Baseball.

Robinson has an extensive background in covering the sport. He called the play-by-play on NBC's Major League Baseball Game of the Week telecasts from 1986-89. Additionally, he has been the lead play-by-play announcer for the Minnesota Twins, the television and radio play-by-play voice of the San Francisco Giants, and a member of the New York Mets broadcast team.



Giants better off without Bonds

Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:26 AM

It struck me while recently watching the Giants in person in San Francisco. Left field looked different. No Barry Bonds. No larger-than-life presence on the field. No at-bat that commanded everyone’s attention and riveted eyeballs for an inning.

 

And the Giants are better off without Bonds.

 

In fact, they should have cut bait with the controversial slugger two years earlier.

 

Look at the NL West. If the Giants had started to rebuild two years ago, they could well be in command of a mediocre division this season.

 

Among the lessons I’ve learned from successful managers and coaches in various sports through three decades include that it’s better to cut a player a year too soon than a year too late (Bill Walsh) and each year a team keeps a player beyond his time costs that team two years to recover.

 

The Giants refused to accept those “transactional” costs and are now stuck in an awful limbo. They have bright young starting pitching (Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain and Jonathan Sanchez), an emerging closer (Brian Wilson) and a surprising group of position players of promise (Fred Lewis, John Bowker and Emmanuel Burriss). But they also have unnecessary players like Ray Durham, Rich Aurilia, Randy Winn and even Omar Vizquel. These veterans could help contenders but on a team in transition they simply slow the process of rebuilding.

 

The best move the Giants made was turning down the proposed Lincecum for Alex Rios deal. Agreeing to that trade could have set them back another three years.

 

The worst move the Giants made was signing Barry Zito as a free agent in December of 2006. That signing was a response, poorly conceived, to some fan backlash over the re-signing of Bonds for 2007. Seattle, against the wishes of most upper management, offered Zito six years. No other team came close to that. And the Giants gave him seven years with an expensive buyout for year eight plus a full no-trade provision.

 

What the Giants need to do:

 

ALL KIDS ALL THE TIME: Lewis must be the full-time left fielder so it can be determined whether he will hit lefties and improve his defense. Burriss brings a spark at shortstop and Bowker has more pop in his bat than any Giants first baseman since J.T. Snow’s better years. The veterans should play only when necessary, except for Winn.

 

MOVE WINN: He must accumulate numbers to attract the interest of a contending team. Winn is a good player who is overpaid and his lack of power handcuffs the Giants. They have Nate Schierholtz sitting at Triple-A waiting a chance in the majors through a trade of Winn.

 

BE PATIENT WITH ZITO: The best outcome is likely two years away when enough money on Zito’s deal has eroded to allow the Giants to find a deal in which they can swap bad contracts. Just look at Dontrelle Willis. If the contracts of these two pitchers were more even don’t you think the Tigers and Giants would discuss a “change-of- scenery” deal? It will probably be 2010 before dealing Zito is a real possibility but the Giants should fish around for any interest in him in the interim.

 

DON’T TALK TO AGENTS: The Giants should determine their own course and forge ahead. They shouldn’t listen to agents peddling clients as short-term fixes. That’s precisely what helped bury San Francisco.

 

HONOR BONDS: His career with the Giants needs closure. In 15 mostly spectacular years he helped get the Giants to a World Series and he helped the team get a new ballpark in downtown San Francisco – as improbable as that once seemed.

 

Bonds can’t come back to play but there should be an official ceremony to pay the man his due. When he will agree to such a night is unknown but the Giants need to try and arrange it. It is strange to talk about closing the book on the game’s greatest home run hitter but the Giants have already seen the beginning benefits of moving forward. They need to accelerate the pace.

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Not a fan of the Giants, but I agree, if they would have let him go a year earlier and not signed Zito out of Boras's evil workshop they would have made some other stronger moves and probably be close to making the playoffs this season.
The final 2 years had nothing to do with wins/losses.  It had everything to do with filling the seats for every home game.  San Fran realistically knew they weren't going to win it all, so why not fill the seats (and all the concession stands, parking, advertising, etc.) instead.
Good article, good diagnosis of the Giant's current situation.  If Noah Lowry ever returns to last year's form, he might be a nice trading chip for some more offensive pop.  Jury is still out on Bowker but Lewis might be one answer; nevertheless the Giants clearly need more power from their corner infield and outfielders.
Sorry, that was George Young, not Bill Walsh, that made the comment about cutting a player a year too early rather than a year too late
Ted - you came and spoke to my sports journalism class at St. Mary's in Moraga a couple years ago and your insight was as fun to hear then as it is to read now. I think one thing that can't be discounted on Bonds is the fact that he was chasing the game's most hallowed record. I think the Giants management knew exactly what they were sacrificing by keeping Bonds, but to them it was worth it rather than the embarrassment of watching Bonds get the record in another uniform. Besides, many fans would have been upset if after years of sticking by Bonds through everything, they didn't get "rewarded" by being able to witness the record-setting home run. I was upset with the Giants' resigning Bonds as well, but it sure was fun to see him hit #756 at 3rd and King...
Ummm...Bonds was the Giants? Until the Giants can lose better than 9 to 0 against the cubs...BONDS still is the Giants.
Tell me again why Bonds should never have been brought back for the 2007 season, and yet why you think his career in SF needs closure?? Tell me again why the best evidence you could offer as to why Bonds did not deserve to be on the team after 2006 was because Vizquel and Aurilia are not any good?? And can your editors please tell me why they decided to let you of all people pollute the Internet with this kind of hogwash logic?!?!
"game’s greatest home run hitter", are you kidding me?
Better off in what respect?
Wins - no
Money - They're giving it to Zito
Attendance - how many sellouts this season?

As a fan, I could care less about clubhouse atmosphere.  I don't get to go in the clubhouse.  I mostly like to see wins, and some homeruns don't hurt either.

I agree about most of the vets, esp. Aurillia.  I liked him when he was productive, and he was a "Good Giant," but when I see him on the field now, I wonder why he's here--a Sabean homey, I guess.

Omar is definitely done and should bow out gracefully before he' waived.  Signing Dave Roberts (in his prime, he was a fourth outfielder) was a mistake right from the start.

Durham and Winn are no great shakes, but they both have hit well this year and until someone....  It's a shame that there is no one to drive them in.

The Giants are better than most of us thought they would be, but they are still not very good.  To say that they are better because Bonds is gone is ridiculous.  No one on this team will finish the season with 25 HR and or 90 RBI.  Even now, Bonds could probably post those numbers on 1 leg.
If the Giants had kept Bonds, perhaps palying first base, they could be in first place today. Or is their current first baseman getting on base 48% of the time and slugging over .500? The hysterical bash-Barry bias of much of the press. They always claim, against the historical record, that Bonds is a cancer hurting his team when 1) the Pittsburg Pirates, on top of the NL when he played left, haven't had a winning record since. And the Giants came within a whisker of winning it all, featuring the cancer Bonds. So now the Giants would have been better off dumping him? Why?
As a lifelong Giants fan, you hit the nail on the head.  However I have to disagree with any kind of further embarrassment of the Giants by "celebrating", i.e. parading Bonds around and relishing his not-so-clean home run record along with his incredibly disrespectful and unprofessional demeanor to both his teammates, management, the press, and his fans...  I've seen enough of him, as have most Giants fans, he had his due and got his respect and closure from the Giants last year.  He doesn't need, or deserve, one ounce more....
Yep, the team is much better without that 1.000 OPS in the lineup.  Fewer runs and more outs help every team.  Brilliant column!
Why are we still crying about Barry Bonds who "HAS" the home run record. Baseball is boring without him especially the non GIANTS. We should call them the Migets. No bigger than life players and no drugs have ruined baseball. I loved the WWF. IT'S A BUISNESS. not a sport. Have you tried to buy a ticket these days. No fun any more and boring. I loved and collected baseball stuff but now with all of the loosers. No Fun! Bring back Barry Bonds ******and all.
I for one was sad to see Bonds leave.  I used to attend 15 plus games a year just for Bonds and I have not been there this year at all.  Bonds was the Giants.
Not only do the Giants have the previously mentioned players they have a nice crop of young players in the minors both position and pitchers.  The signing of Zito will go down as the worst contract in baseball EVER.  Hopefully the weak NL West will not lead Brian Sabean the think that the Giants can contend because then he will want to buy at the trade deadline vice sell and set this team back even further.
Ted, having been around the Giants as much as you have in the past few years, I think you've got it pretty much pegged. I'm not as enthusiastic about honoring Bonds, only because, much as they should, it's likely doing so will dredge up the old demons they're trying to get past now. But you could be right. But you are absolutely right about the youth thing. Get the old guys off the field.
I think you missed the point about Bonds and the Giants.  The Giants did not want to let a "cash Cow" go at the expense of rebuilding, especially when the seats were filled in anticipation of breaking the HR record.  You see plainly they parted company once the record was broken.  In my mind it was plainly a business decision.  Besides you cant anticipate a "weak division", ARI sure looked strong at the beginning of this season.
Everyone is better without this overrated, over paid prima donna. There is a lot more to being a great baseball player than just hitting and he was never great of any of the other things. Not a great fielder, couldn't throw(no arm) was the fastest. So please tell me what made him soooo great.
They need to play Ray Durham as much as possible and use him as trade bait. He's a contract hitter. If the Giants could get one decent minor league position player for him, it would be well worth it. If the Giants sign him again... I don't even want to think about that.
Dear Sirs:

I remain part of the "He must have done 'roids" crowd with regard to Bary Bonds (BB). I am also of the opinion that he would have put up fantastic numbers without the help of any chemicals. His swing was sweet and fast I admit. But as an ambassador to the game, BB was a clown. His selfish, boorish, prima-dona act what with the private part of the locker room, the entourage, the sardonic attitude and so forth was gauche beyond words. When Manny Ramirez clubbed his own 500th homer recently, we saw nothing from BB. What a surprise. Give him his due you ask? He got his due in the only currency that he understands; greenbacks. He is a petulant, self-absorbed, mono-maniac child in a man's body. I say let his fate play out the way it must. You are right about the Giants, they mortgaged their future to keep BB and the rebuild will be time consuming. BB is gone now. Let It Be, as the Fabs once said. Leave BB to be judged by history; that is his due.

John Haberstroh, Boston, MA
It's all Barry Bonds fault. He's the reason for all the following:

*Not being able to draft a every day position player for the last 15 years that made any impact on the daily line-up.  Oh wait, Bill Mueller was Ok

*Sabean trading away Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser for AJ a lifetime 280 hitter for one year. Forget the fact that the Giant's have blown about a 100 saves since Nen retired.

*Zito getting a billion dollars for the next 100 years.  Yeah, let's sign a local nice-guy at any cost to "off-set the Barry signing". Since when did a 89 mph fastball and a declining curve deserve franchise money?

*Signing Durham, Roberts, and Aurillia?  Why did they not cut bait with the guys or even bother to re-sign/sign them at all?  All the decent young postion players you mentioned are limited by these guys, not someone that performed as well as Bonds.  You trade Montana away to allow Young to develop. You unload Thome to bring up Howard.  You don't unload Bonds to allow Dave Roberts more playing time.  
 

It's obvious the Giants brass had no faith in the farm team.  That's why they had to bring Bonds back.  There is no one that will come close to his worst statistical season that is within 2-3 years from the minor league system.  

You failed to mention the obvious, Bonds put butts in seats for the last 8 years in SBC. I don't recall much of backlash in SF about Bonds being re-signed because he at least would perform.  The annual attendance will continue to shrink just like Denver, Cleveland, and Seattle did if another star is not brought in via free agency soon.
While it definitely is different watching the Giants without Barry, the drama ( and I'm talking strictly baseball drama ) is absolutely missed. Opposing coaches no longer have to plan for what they're going to do as Barry's spot in the batting order approaches and opposing pitchers are much less prone to intestinal problems. Fans no longer have to plan their restroom breaks or beer runs around when Barry's going to bat.

I agree that Lewis, Bowker, and probably Nate Schierholtz all deserve every-day player status, I'm not so sold on Burriss. Of course, the Zito signing was not one that will get Brian Sabean into the HOF, but was it worse than the deal that left us without Joe Nathan. Brian Wilson is definitely looking like he'll be the closer for a while, and Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez could even lead this team to a division title in this weakest of all divisions in major league baseball. We all knew that they could perform. Bowker though, has been a real gem. Wouldn't it be great for the Giants to end up with an NL Rookie of the Year.

Walsh said if the team had a younger player, WHO PROJECTED TO BE BETTER THAN THE VETERAN, only then was it better to cut the veteran a year early rather than a year too late. You're showing you don't understand what Bill was saying. It goes back to Bill backing Virgil Carter as a starter over the rookie stud Gregg Cook. After being told to start Cook by Paul Brown, Bill realized Brown was right - it was better to let the stud develop for the future even if the vet might be marginally better in the present.

Now with that clarification in place, show me any player in the Giants system in 2006 who projected to be better than a 40-42 year old Bonds. There was no one! Not then and not now - that is what is so sad about the Giants.

Ted, the problem all along has been the Giants inability to produce home grown positional player talent and, secondarily, their inability to trade pitching for above average positional players. If the Giants strategy was to specialize in pitching and trade for hitting, then, at best, the Giants mispriced the relative value of pitching vs. hitting. At worst, they have been simply awful at developing players, period.


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