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Hall of Fame in Manny's future?

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:23 PM

I had a brief up close look at Manny Ramirez while covering the Red Sox in last year’s playoffs. My having been a National League broadcaster throughout Ramirez’s career, the views I had on him previously were few.

 

What did I take away from seeing him in the postseason? Well, he’s smaller than I thought and fitter than the baggy uniforms he wears make him appear on television. Asking around I learned that he earns admiration from teammates for his work ethic, often going to Fenway Park in the morning of game days for workouts.

 

I also saw his ability to match the moment. Last year he had a mediocre regular season but October uncovered a hero in Ramirez. He launched a Francisco Rodriguez heater over the Green Monster to win Game 2 of the ALDS and never stopped during Boston’s march to a second World Series triumph in four years.

 

So what I saw matched what I had heard: the San Francisco Giants investigated trading for Ramirez before the 2007 season. Looking for a bat to replace Barry Bonds after failing to sign Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee, Giants management considered Ramirez. Their investigation found two things: Manny was not the questionable clubhouse presence often believed and that he was one of the purest right-handed hitters to play in years.

And there’s the key point. Of all the numbers that wash over us after Manny’s 500th home run, one stands out above all: his .312 career batting average, fourth highest among the 24 players who have 500 or more home runs.

Ramirez is not just a slugger, he is a great hitter. He needed the eighth fewest at-bats (7,263) to reach the 500 home run milestone. And he has 24 postseason home runs in 353 at-bats -- a superb ratio given the caliber of pitching generally faced in October.

 

So where does Ramirez stand in the hierarchy of the game’s hitters? Hitting 500 home runs has been devalued. That’s not the fault of Ramirez but it is something with which he must live. We don’t know yet the degree to which Hall-of-Fame voters truly value home runs in the BALCO era given Mark McGwire’s paltry Hall-of-Fame vote totals.

There some other things to reflect upon. Ramirez hit 437 home runs as an outfielder. He has not used the DH, yet, to extend or save his career. He has eight straight years in which he has finished in the American League’s top 10 MVP vote getters -- a measure of the respect he gained in his era. And at only 36, he is looking strongly at enough years left in his playing career to surpass 600 career home runs, enhancing his legacy.

 

Baseball-reference.com is a favorite tool for studying playing careers and their comparative values. At the bottom of each player’s stats page, the website names 10 players most comparable at the current moment. Again, this is objective, strictly based on numbers. So imagine my surprise when the player listed as most comparable to Ramirez at this stage of his career is Larry Walker.

My first reaction is that Ramirez is a Hall of Famer but Walker is not. There are some differences in their numbers, the 500-home-run milestone foremost among them, and there is the Denver factor (unlike with the BALCO issue, the writers who take part in the Hall-of-Fame voting have yet to render a verdict on the impact of stars playing their home games in the Mile High City.)

 

The next most comparable player to Ramirez listed is Jim Thome – Ramirez’s peer from his Cleveland playing days. While Thome has 500-plus home runs he does not register to me as a no-brainer for the Hall of Fame.

So the question of Ramirez’s legacy may be more debatable than I initially  thought. Of course, Ramirez can end the debate with three or four more solid seasons which will push him past 600 homers and well past 2,500 hits. Now I wonder if he is trying to separate himself from Jim Rice, another Red Sox right-handed power hitter who was devastating in his era, but who didn’t play long enough to earn Hall-of-Fame status. I think Ramirez is a stronger Hall-of-Fame  candidate than Rice, but does Ramirez need to pad his numbers to make sure of his place in the Hall of Fame?

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Manny has also won 2 World Series rings and that factor must be considered in the Hall of Fame discussion.  Being a champion, along with his work ethic and the stats he has and will continue to compile (without juice)add up to a first ballot shoe-in.  Manny being Manny is a lot of fun to watch and a class act.
manny is hall of fame now no doudt. when you need a clutch hit no matter if it is single or home run i want manny om my team.
Sorry, to me, your column poses a silly question, is Manny Ramirez a true hall of fame candidate.  Anybody who looks at his career achievements at the plate (500+ home runs, .316 batting average and 1600+ rbi) and does not immiediately say 'Hall of Fame' is being biased by Mr. Ramirez's admittedly annoying public antics.
Unless Manny is suddenly involved in either a steroid or gambling scandal, he's a shoe-in for the hall of fame 5 years after he plays his last game.  There can be no rational counter-argument.
Are you kidding me?. If the voting were today, Manny is a no brainer for the Hall of Fame. He has been a dominant hitter in both the regular season and the playofs for quite some time now and has two rings to show for it.  
Dude, you must be national league. Manny has been one of the top three offensive players of the last decade in the AL. He's a no brainer. It's not considered close by anyone who's been paying attention since forever.
This whole article has got to be a joke. His clutch hits alone, driving in so many runs, his effortless stroke, which by the way, is not as easy as he would lead us to believe (work ethic)are indicators of one of the best ever. To mention Walker in the same article as a comparable simply has no merit. How many years did Walker perform at a level even remotely close to Ramirez? Let's cheer for a "kid at heart", one who stays out of trouble, lets his bat do the talking, and one who still smiles while playing - did you see the high five a few weeks ago. Ask his fellow players if they think he belongs in the Hall. They will laugh too
I'm shocked that this is even up for discussion.  I'm a Yankee fan and still think Manny is one of the best right handed hitters in the history of the game.
I thoroughly enjoyed your article.  Unlike many sports writers, you didn't whine and complain.  Your article was a joy to read.  Also, as a fellow writer, I know you were expressing the Hall of Fame voters thoughts regarding Manny being voted in.  It's unfortunate some  of your readers put the Hall of Fame voters words into your mouth.
Just because you write for NL teams doens't excuse you from being incompetent. This is Manny Ramirez. 500+ HR's (24th alltime), .312 lifetime batting average (73rd alltime), 1600+ RBI (25th alltime) and 1300 + Runs (88th alltime). His number are already among those of legends already enshrined in Cooperstown. The best part is, he still has 5+ years left in his tank.  
Baseball-Reference also calculates several hall of fame predictions, and calculates Manny's Hall of Fame Monitor score at 196.5, with over 100 indicating a likely hall of famer.  Manny hits for power and average, he's clutch  (batting .332 with bases loaded, 20 of which went for grand slams).  He's not even a borderline hall of famer, he's one of the greatest hitters of his era and has been for his entire career.
The arguement is A-Rod is the best player in baseball, but Manny is definitly a better and truer hitter.

Not sure if he will make first ballot due to his antics as some voters feel they have something to prove by keeping deserving people out of the hall.  Within 3 years max on the ballot he will be there.

Repeat in 08!
Manny should be a lock! Nuff said.
As a Yankee fan, the person I don't want to see at the plate late in a close game is Manny. He's not just a home run hitter. I think his biggest legacy will be as an RBI machine. Hall of Famer first ballot? No question.
Furthermore, while Manny is no Yaz, he has improved as a fielder. Left in Fenway is a challenge. Manny gets rid of the ball quickly and accurately. His offensive numbers put him with Ruth, Williams, Ott, Mays, and Aaron. H of F -- absolutely!
one of the silliest questions ever. manny is one of the best hitters ever. this man had 165 rbis in 147 games in 99. that doesnt make any sense.
Rusty from NYC... Yes, Manny will and should make the HOF, first ballot, no doubt.  Now, to address what you call a "class act".  Manny is FAR from a class act.  In fact, he is classless.
MANNY = HOF
NUFF said!
Manny also has a World Series MVP along with the two rings.  He should have at least one regular season MVP and has been hurt by havig Ortiz on the same team, since they essentially split the vote.  Hall of fame, yes... first ballot, yes.  
Only a Yankee Fan would say Manny is not a Hall of Famer
ManRam has been one of the most feared hitters in baseball for years; he is under-rated as a fielder, adds an element of fun to the game, and eats the Yankees alive. First ballot automatic. Best trade that never happened for the Sox - Manny for ARod (when he was a Ranger).
Hey John Doe, I am a Yankee fan and I believe he is a first ballot HOF.  Don't forget Manny is from New York and I guarantee you most if not all Yankee fans respect him as a tremendous hitter.  By the way, Jim Rice, another great Boston slugger feared and respected by Yankee fans, deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
I realize you guys have to come up with some interesting or controversial angles for your columns to be published but you're reaching on this one.  Manny Ramirez will be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer without any doubt.  At the end of his career he will be considered one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game.
Ted, I don't think you fully understand the similarity scores on B-R.com.  Manny & Walker have a score of 858.  That's out of 1000, where two identical players would have a score of 1000.  858 is very low for someone's closest match.  Rather than saying that Manny is most similar to Larry Walker, the best way to read it is that Manny is a unique player who cannot easily be compared to anyone else.  You'll find that most Hall of Famers are in similar situations.  For instance, Hank Aaron is most similar to Willie Mays, but with a score of 783.

And, besides, even if you want to ignore all of that, Manny's 4th closest match (at 837, 21 less than Walker, and 1 less than Frank Thomas, Manny's 3rd match) is Willie Stargell.  Joe DiMaggio is also in his top ten.
Manny is a definite Hall of Famer.  He plays and dominates in an era with great right hand hitters: Pujols,A-Rod, Vlade, Jeter,Sheffield,Frank Thomas,and Cabrera just to name a few...did I mention that his numbers reflect domination! Oh, and Boston has won championships...Manny or Tony Perez? you tell me.
This shouldn't be a question. 1st ballot without a doubt. Remember, he isn't even done. He will hit over 600 home runs. Ridiculous to even consider that he wouldn't be in. Manny is a clutch hitter, with year in and year out consistent numbers from Cleveland to Boston. You don't see ups and downs with Manny. He's one of the best pure hitters of all-time!
To Kenny Laverne CA,  You may not be aware of the many behind the scenes children/children's hospital donations and activities Manny is involved in.  Including auctioning off his 500th HR ball for a kid's hospital in Boston.  Off the field Manny is a great guy and an advocate for sick children...sorry in my book that qualifies as a class act.
You have got to be kidding me with this question.  First, let me state while I am a die-hard Yankee fan, I am a die-hard baseball fan first.  To even think that Manny will not get into the Hall of fame, even if his career was over today, is utter nonsense.  This man has been one of the best players that we have seen, at least in the top 25-30 of all time.  Year in year out he has produced numbers that anyone would love to have.  While, there may be a few better players, there is not many who can hold a candle to this man's career.  I bet if you polled the players themselves Manny is in everyones top five.  While, I am sure the writer is a fine memeber of the press, he just is not aware of this man's talent.  When someone is good it must be said.  He Manny's case he is a great player, period!  
He is a shoe in for HoF, plus his RBI numbers are hurt as Ortiz hits 100+ RBI's a year batting right before him!
This is as most of the readers have said a rediculous commentary.  Of course he deserves Hall of Fame status.  Have you been sleeping over the last 10 years?
Growing up in Boston watching Yaz and Rice in left field. I think its truely refreshing to watch a grown man who is having fun playing a game that has become way to serious. Manny realizes that he is playing a game and having fun PLAYING. His stats speak for themselves. He is a great left fielder with his decieving release of the ball to second. He usually hits his target right on the money. Watching Yaz, Rice and Greenwell in left during my lifetime, I would put Manny on the top of those three. He is feared throughout the league. If the Sox need a hit in the clutch, it doesnt matter how Mannys been doing. He delivers. Ask any pitcher who they fear on the Sox. Answer would be Manny. A man playing a game as it was ment to be played. Fun. HOF
The only knock against this guy is his defense, which has always been suspect.  But he has steadily improved that as a member of the Red Sox, and that fact should account for something.  Offensively?  One of the best to ever play the game, and the statistics prove that to be a fact.  Welcome to the Hall, Mr. Ramirez, in 2018!!!
I am a National League Fan, but also a historian of the game, Manny Ramirez would be a welcome addition to my team anytime. I love watching Manny being Manny it's part of the passion he brings to the game. When he said that a loss didn't matter don't believe it for a second he thrives on success. To think he is not a lock for the HOF is not to know and understand the great game of baseball
ARE YOU ON DRUGS?

GARY CARTER MAKES IT ON FIRST BALLOT...AND YOU`RE NOT SURE MANNY BELONGS????
Manny's numbers are certainly worthy, especially when you consider he has another 2-3 productive years left.

I feel his media relations will stop him from being a first ballot HOFer but he'll get in. It's interesting to note, regarding his media relations, that despite great numbers for a prominent team he has never finished higher than 3rd in an MVP vote.
The only basis for him not being a sure fire HOF selection is it is shown that he used steroids and I have heard no mention of his name in that regard.
The thing that amazes me is how all of the sudden hitting 500 home runs is not enough.Even with all of the steroid users there are still not that many who have accompolished it.To combine that witha 312 career average in an era of lower batting averages makes him a shoo in.Frankly with his rbi totals and batting average he would make it with 425 home runs and not the 600 he will wind up with.
Without question the best natural hitter in a long time.
I AM A DIE HARD YANKEE FAN...

IF MANNY FINISH HIS PLAYING CAREER TODAY HE SHOULD AND STILL BE A FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER HANDS DOWN.

IF THERE IS A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER MANNY BELONGS TO THE HALL OF FAME AT THE END OF HIS CAREER THEN NO ONE BELONGS TO THE HALL OF FAME SO THEY MIGHT AS WELL SHUT IT DOWN.
One more thing to remember about Manny, is he has
the record for post season Home runs. Only that bothers me, and I am a die hard Soxer, is he had
20 slams, by 7-5-05, and none since. he has had as
many ops for this as probably anyone in baseball in this time frame. Now if he gets an RBI with bases
loaded, (especially with no outs) it's a sac fly,
or double play. (check it out). He's batting under
200 in this situation.
Sir:

I read with great interest your article on Manny Ramirez. It is fair to say, you have a good grasp of Manny's impact on the game. I was also impressed with the overall positive comments from your readers. Here are the facts fleshed out thus far:

1).312 Career Ave. 2) 500+ homers with many more to come.  3) 1669 RBIs with many more to come.  4) 24 post season homers with more to come.

Consider also he is second all time in Grand Slams behind only legendary Lou Gehrig. Then there are the inevitable "intangibles" that enter in to all sports that even a statistically heavy sport like Baseball doesn't tabulate such as: 1) Fear Factor: Manny's numbers are down this year (2008) and last because pitchers just don't give him much to swing at. They wind up walking him much more than they used to and/or he chews up the pitch count with foul tips to such an extent that starting pitchers get fatigued earlier. They fear him. 2) Protection: he protects Ortiz and visa-versa. He also protects #5 hitter whoever that happens to be. Starting pitching staffs have to calulate their entire pitch schedule because of Manny. 3) Post season: unlike A-Rod, Manny actually rises to the occasion in post season play and all pitchers know it. They have to give him something for fear of walking Manny and Manny kills them for it.

HOF? Not even a question. And don't overlook the RBI total. Manny is slowly creeping up on that list. Aaron is #1 with 2297. Manny has a legit shot at being in the top three if he keeps going for the next 4-5 years. He'll reach just over 1700 this season. Think about it.

John, Boston, MA
Manny has been hitting HOMERUNS since his high school days in New York,I am too from new york and this guy is a legend around the dominican areas.He would wake up at 5:30 in the morning to run track in his school before class,this dude hit a 400 feet homerun in High School at the age of 17,he has been the most consistent player baseball has seen in the past 20 years besides Ichiro.So cmon man he is one name you can cross out in that BALCO alligations, you must not know alot about baseball if you think hes doesnt deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.1


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