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Robinson called the play-by-play on NBC's Major League Baseball Game of the Week telecasts from 1986-89. Additionally, he has done play-by-play for the Minnesota Twins, San Francisco Giants, and New York Mets. Since 2000 Robinson has provided play-by-play for NBC Sports on the French Open and Wimbledon. He also previously served in that role at the U.S. Open for USA Network. Robinson is also the play-by-play voice of the San Francisco 49ers on KNBR.



The complete game is a true art form lost

Posted: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:25 PM

It hasn’t been easy for the baseball fan in San Francisco this year. The Giants are a bad team, their farm system is barren at the high levels, their ballpark is for the first time featuring swaths of empty seats and their “new” face is a non-contributor.

 

But the point here is that living in the Bay Area has meant listening to a segment of fans who apologize for Barry Zito. And it fuels my inner fire raging over what has happened to starting pitching.

 

There was a time when starters tried to finish what they began. I’m not talking about ancient times when complete games were expected but just two decades ago when top-flight pitchers valued the complete game.

 

As recently as 1991 Jack Morris won a World Series by refusing to leave a game when his manager tried to lift him. Morris pitched 10 innings and not a soul in the ballpark watching that game knew a whit about his pitch count.

 

Now I hear that Zito has often pitched “well enough to keep his team in the game” or that his team “doesn’t score runs for him” or that Zito has “often been matched against the other team’s best pitcher.”

 

Ignore if possible the fact that Zito is earning $128 million over his eight-year deal and that a contract of that stature would only be given to a pitcher capable of beating other top pitchers and not needing 12 runs per game to ensure a win.

What creates a pain equivalent to sharp needles driving into my eyes is the first standard nowadays for starting pitchers to strive for -- pitching well enough to “give your team a chance to win.” Shouldn’t $128 million give the team writing those checks a chance to win every time said-very-well-paid-(overpaid?)-pitcher takes the mound?

 

Sorry for the foolish thought. We now return to the previous rant…John Lowe is a good man and a terrific baseball writer. But he has inadvertently played a role in the destruction of starting pitching. For it was Mr. Lowe who developed the “quality start” statistic, the single act most responsible for lowering the common denominator in a true art form.

 

Suddenly three runs allowed in six innings has become grounds for a medal. Baseball people thought to be wise -- including a former pitcher sporting Hall-of-Fame credentials with whom I worked -- embraced this watered-down definition of solid starting pitching. And before long staffs were being judged from the closer backwards.

 

In today’s game little is expected from starting pitchers. Yet the price (read the salaries they command) goes through the roof for the few that are regarded as prime pitchers. Why? When Kevin Millwood gives Texas a 28-29 performance in Year 3 of a five-year, $60 million deal, when Bronson Arroyo implodes on the verge of earning $12 million in 2009, or when Chris Carpenter blows out his elbow at the start of a four-year, $55 million deal (he’ll be 34 next April trying to return from Tommy John surgery), why does a team give Zito such an absurd contract?

 

Will the value placed on starters (almost always a horrid long-term contract investment, something even Giants owner Peter Magowan admitted in San Francisco this week) ever change? I doubt that day is near.

 

SIX MORE SWINGS:

 

1. MAYBE THIS IS THE WEEK…that we believe in Florida. The Fish just swept Arizona and in doing so posted a win over the unbeatable Brandon Webb. That can inject serious belief into the young Marlins.

 

2. WHICH IS WHAT THE METS LACK…Swept in four by Atlanta, the Mets are floundering. They are 2-7 against the Braves, a team that despite a horrid start by its bullpen is in the mix with Florida and Philadelphia in the NL East. When judging Mets manager Willie Randolph take into account that his starting corner outfielders Thursday night were Marlon Anderson and Endy Chavez. That’s planning at fault, not managing.

 

3. THE GRUMBLING IS LOUD…in Milwaukee where the Brewers can’t get any traction unless Ben Sheets (5-1, 2.92 ERA) is on the mound. Manager Ned Yost might be right alongside Randolph when it comes to being on a short leash. General manager Doug Melvin lived through talented Texas teams that couldn’t win in October so although he is known to dislike changing managers, he may be tempted to try something to ignite a Milwaukee team of which much is expected.

 

4. IS ADRIAN GONZALEZ THE BEST…left-handed batter in the NL? He has 13 of the team’s 38 homers and is the rock of a lineup that offers him no protection.

 

5. A FLASHBACK…as Josh Hamilton of the Rangers, the planet’s hottest hitter, smacked an opposite-field homer in the 10th inning of Thursday’s win in Minnesota. Those became routine in the BALCO era and while this blog is not naïve, I do believe we are closer to normalcy in the game. So Hamilton’s blast -- like much of his season to date -- caught my attention.

 

6. IT SHOULD HAPPEN IN MIAMI…Sunday as Omar Vizquel breaks Luis Aparicio's record of 2,583 games played at shortstop. The Giants should ensure this record happens in South Florida before gathering swarms of media from Latin America and South America.

In Venezuela, where shortstops are king, the passing of the torch will be significant. Although Davey Concepcion is often credited as being the "Godfather" of Venezuelan shortstops, it was Aparicio who opened the door through a strong career featuring 13 All-Star appearances and nine Gold Gloves.

 

Vizquel has been an equal, with numbers that match both Aparicio and the American standard-bearer for "traditional" shortstops, Ozzie Smith. Media in San Francisco obsess over whether Vizquel will be a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer. The question is thoroughly irrelevant. He will get there in time, just like Smith and Aparicio.

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The Giants didn't just give him $128M -- TV revenue, and the other owners, and greed did. The Giants did not have to sign Zito, but they wanted the additional revenue that a winning organization would bring in.  It's not Zito's fault that he only pitches 7-8 innings -- blame that on pitch counts.
Ted, if you're going to say the "THE COMPLETE GAME IS A TRUE ART FORM LOST", you're not thinking about Roy Halladay. It's only May and the guy has already pitched 5 COMPLETE games. Maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
cheers
Tom
If the Giants had a sabermetric clue, they would have realized that while Barry Zito COULD have been worth the money they paid for him, the chances were very, very slim.  The Giants weren't getting the Cy Young Award pitcher of 2002. Instead they were getting a pitcher who had been on a steady slide from that pinnacle.

It might be that the call was Peter Magowans.  And that might be the reason the Giants' ownership may have called for Peter's ouster as managing general partner at the end of this season.

Or it may merely have been another in the horrendous chain of moves general manager Brian Sabean has made since the end of the 2002 season in which the Giants came eight outs from winning the World Series.  Brian apparently sold his soul to the devil, with payment coming due on the evening of Game 6 of the 2002 World Series.  He has made precious few moves since then -- the worst of them being not immediately rebuilding his minor league system back when Theo Epstein pledged the same for the Boston Red Sox, with tremendous results.

Some Giants fans have wanted to see how Brian would put together a team without the "handicap" of having to build around the game's greatest player for over a decade.  This season they are finding out.

Yes, Tim Lincecum is taking over for Bonds as the resident superstar.  And, yes, Sabean deserves the credit for drafting and signing him -- although apparently assistant Dick Tidrow as the one with the really sharp eyes.  But aside from "The Franchise," as Lincecum was nicknamed by his teammates before he ever threw a major league pitch, the Giants have little beyond has-beens, never beens and Four-A players above Class A.

Giants fans are seeing what Sabean can do without Bonds, and until somewhere around 2012 at the earliest, it isn't likely to be pretty.  The Giants don't have few prospects who are ready and even fewer who are capable of making an impact, they dont' have much to trade that they can afford to lose, and they have had horrible luck with regard to signing the top free agents and instead have substituted overpaying for second-tier players.

The Giants have a beautiful ball park.  They have a wonderful young pitcher in Lincecum -- as long as they keep pitching him and don't give the youthful-looking one a job as batboy.  But their future over the next four years resembles that of a losing Presidential candidate.
If you like watching pitchers pitch complete games you should watch the Angels. Their starting pitchers have been pitching deep into a lot of games this year. Ervin Santana just pitched his second complete game last night. Joe Saunders doesn't have any yet but could have if Mike Scioscia let him. I think he's pitched eight innings in half his starts so far. K-Rod has to get his saves too though I guess. John Lackey pitched a complete game Sunday night although he blew it in the 9th.
Thank you Tom. Roy Halladay has completed 5 of his 11 starts this year. He leads the league in innings pitched and innings pitched per start as well. He has more complete games than any team. He's going to be the first pitcher in 9 years to complete 10, and maybe even the first pitcher in 10 years to complete 15. Some will argue that pitching in the AL gives him a better chance at being left in the game because he doesn't have to come up to bat, but I think facing the incredibly weak lineups in the NL should give them an advantage. Any lineup where career utility guy Aaron Boone bats third, should be in AAA. Complete games are still lurking around, they just aren't thrown by the guy that throws 97mph, strikes out a ton, wins a boatload of games, and plays for a large market team.
Willie Randolph got the sort end of the stick. He is a fantastic baseball Manager, and the players are performing at all. The Mets front office needs to get their act together because no Manager will want to take the Mets Managerial job if offered. I have seen highlights of Mtes games on ESPN, anf the players are terrible. The Mets player are only there to collect their inflated paychecks. In the real world, we are paid based on performance. Any team would hugely benefit from having a Manager like Willie Randolph being their Manager.

Take Care
If you look at 1970's pitchers like Tom Seaver,Nolan Ryan,Jim Palmer,Dennis Leonard,Steve Carlton.....Those guys would pitch 10 complete games in a year standing on their head!!......10 CG a year back then wasn't jack.

Jim Palmer would pitch 20 to 25 complete games a year no problem......Just go to the MLB website and search in "historic players" engine and type in one of those pitchers last names and see for youself.

Hearing commentators telling us the pitcher's pitch count is extremely irritating already....it takes the enjoyment of watching the game away...LET THEM PITCH!

and I don't want to hear anybody go to the "protecting a multi-million dollar investment" card.


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