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MSNBC.com baseball analyst Ted Robinson gives his take on the hits and misses by players, managers, umpires and owners in Major League Baseball.

Robinson has an extensive background in covering the sport. He called the play-by-play on NBC's Major League Baseball Game of the Week telecasts from 1986-89. Additionally, he has been the lead play-by-play announcer for the Minnesota Twins, the television and radio play-by-play voice of the San Francisco Giants, and a member of the New York Mets broadcast team.



Gold Gloves a subjective vote

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:08 PM

It’s award time in baseball. First winners announced were the Gold Gloves and the angst over these decisions is amusing.

 

What I don’t get is how there is a movement to make objective choices for Gold Gloves based on a subjective stat. Errors, and thus fielding percentage, are subjective. Despite noble efforts by some in the SABR world, there is no foolproof defensive statistic. Therefore, the vote for Gold Gloves will always be a subjective vote.

 

A misconception is that writers vote for Gold Gloves. They do not. Managers and coaches do. And they cannot vote for players on their own team.

 

What I have learned is that managers and coaches judge defense by making plays that aren’t supposed to be made as much if not more than botching plays that should be made. Since highlight shows became a staple of sports, consistent fielders are overshadowed by the spectacular. And people in uniform, even as much as they want the routine play made, treasure the man who can steal outs.

 

Conventional wisdom that is fading is offense wins Gold Gloves. Omar Vizquel was the latest to spout this as he tried to rationalize losing the NL shortstop award to Jimmy Rollins. Of course, this insults managers and coaches who more than anyone would be assumed capable of separating bat from glove. Just checked and the NL Gold Glove catcher in 2006 was Brad Ausmus, he of the .230 batting average. And there’s Jose Cruz Jr, 2003 Gold Glove winner hitting .250 for San Francisco.

 

Changing topics to the Hot Stove front.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said this last week: “When you’re trying to line up a trade, if you do it quick, somebody usually overpaid. If you move fast as a pre-emptive strike, it’s usually costly.” Does that sound like he’s talking about the Barry Zito-San Francisco marriage of last winter? And might that be a reason why teams will tread slowly and carefully around Scott Boras this winter? The Giants’ folly in grossly overpaying Zito has not gone unnoticed, especially in Minnesota.

 

Yes, while many of the headlines revolve around Miguel Cabrera, the best prize of this winter may be Johan Santana. With ground broken for a new ballpark, Minnesota likely feels obliged to make a good run at keeping their ace, but Zito’s contract blew the Santana market out of orbit. Santana’s performance is so superior in every way, and no Boras volume can contradict that. His price is beyond all but the top two or three teams. New Twins general manager Bill Smith is bright and pragmatic in the mold of his predecessors Andy MacPhail and Terry Ryan so he will cut his best deal for Santana assuming the dollars in the offer the Twins make don't get it done.

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The worst gold glove vote the last 2 years was the managers snub of yadier molina 2 times.  teams completely alter their games when he plays.  Martin let more people steal on him this year than even tried against molina.  Ask Jose Reyes and Hanley Ramirez who deserves the award.
Gold Glove votes: Yes, fielding stats are subjective; but are we not correct to say that they are "equally subjective" around the league?  Why then, that being true (it can hardly be denied), do you and many others ignore the fact that the player with the best stats doesn't win the award? Brandon Phillips is the best second baseman in the National League and should have won.
Ted,

 How do you explain Yadier Molina not winning the NL Gold Glove for 2007?  It had to be due to lack of offense- he led everything in the defensive categories over the Dodgers catcher.
When Tulowitzki, the best fielding SS in either league, and Todd Helton, the best fielding 1B in the NL don;t get the Gold Glove...they have, indeed, become worthless awards.

First, Derrek Lee getting the Gold Glove over Todd Helton. Helton has 2 errors, in 1,545 chances, for a fielding % of .999...3 points higher than the 1B with the next best fielding %...Lee has 7 errors, 5 more errors than Helton, and Lee had almost 300 less chances than Helton had...and for those who say it's not all about errors and fielding %, Helton also has the best range factor of any 1B in the NL and is 2nd to Pujols in Zone Range..Lee's ranking for range factor, 9th (even worse than RYAN HOWARD), and for zone range, his ranking is 6th...

SO, Helton had the least amount of errors (2) than any 1B in the NL even though he had the 2nd most chances...Helton had the best fielding %, the best range factor and the 2nd best zone range...

Lee had 7 errors, with almost 300 less chances than Helton, he was tied for 4th in fielding %, he was 9th in range factor and 6th in zone range...but HE wins the Gold Glove...he wasn't even the 2nd best fielding 1B...more like 4th...at best...

NOW, injustice number 2, that would be Rollins winning the Gold Glove over Tulowitzki...they both had the same amount of errors, but Tulowitzki had 117 more chances.  Tulowitzki had the best fielding % for a SS not only in the NL, but in baseball...Tulowitzki also ranked 1st range factor in the NL AND, you guessed it, he'd be tops in the AL too...he was 2nd in zone range to Visquel in the NL...and 2nd would be his MLB ranking in zone range as well...

Rollins, in the NL, is 3rd in fielding %, 6th in range factor, and 6th in zone range...so, Tulo gets him in every category, like Helton did over Lee at 1B, and Tulo also has a better arm than Rollins...

Pure nonsense...you'd think players and managers would know better than to make these kind of awards about popularity, instead of truly awarding it to the best fielders at each position...
What are your thoughts on David Wright winning the Gold Glove at third base when, even through subjective means, he had one of the worst defensive seasons of any third basemen in the NL?

There were 3 worthy candidates for the award, and Wright wasn't one of them.
The managers and coaches need to do some reevaluation of the gold gloves especially at the catchers position. Ivan Roderiquez is awarded the gold glove but there are other players who truly deserve it. Kenji made 2 errors in 1106 innings, .395% of throwing out runners, and 56 assists compared to Ivan's 6 errors in 1032 innings, .288% of throwing out runners and 50 assists. So who is the better gold glover? Kenji apparently has the better glove and the stats show it.
Wow - managers must be morons.  The unheard of Colorado Rockies had the best fielding percentage in the HISTORY of basebal, yet no gold gloves, no MVPs, not a damn thing.  The curse of playing in the wrong time-zone
The Gold Gloves have always been like the Papacy - you remain the Gold Glove champ til you die or quit.
How you can discuss the subjectivity of the Gold Glove awards without even mentioning the name of Yadier Molina is beyond me. He probably should have won in 2006; that he didn't in 2007 is absolutely ludicrous. Russell Martin? The same Russell Martin who had league-high errors by a catcher? And the same Yadi Molina who throws out around 50% of the very few runners foolish enough to try to steal on him?

Looks to me like that old chestnut about offense winning Gold Gloves is alive and well.
What about Jonhnny Mac in Toronto.. better than all of them in the AL.
I think the worst gold glove award was given to Palmerio of the Ranger's.  The last year he won the award, he spent 75% of his playing time as the DH.  I think most of the awards are popularity contest.  Plus, if you play for ESPN's favorite teams (Yanks, BoSoxs, Mets, Giants) you get all the media attention.  
I think the worst gold glove award was given to Palmerio of the Ranger's.  The last year he won the award, he spent 75% of his playing time as the DH.  I think most of the awards are popularity contest.  Plus, if you play for ESPN's favorite teams (Yanks, BoSoxs, Mets, Giants) you get all the media attention.  
Gold Gloves are for defense.  There are already awards for hitting.  Agreed, teams did not run on Yadi Molina, another great Molina catcher, he stopped them cold, had excellent numbers with a pitching staff that was all over the field, should'a won.  Rodrequiez is good, but he really gets "home team discount" when he catches in Detroit.  Saw some games on tv this year where obvious passed balls were called wild pitches, so stats alone are not enough.  Agree with the Colorado fan, though, and I'm a Yadi fan, that to shut out the Rockies on defense makes no logical sense for defense awards.


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